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    Pacers go 7 games and use the offseason to get better on paper. Spurs go 7 games and use the offseason to . . . well . . . save money, I guess? I think as far as % of the cap, the Spurs salaries this next year will be about the lowest in what, 10 years? Haven't done the math yet, but the team is really doing well as far as monies go. They get the full 7 games in the finals for all that revenue, but don't have to spend any money on rings or a parade and all the associated costs. Then they don't buy out Bonner, and then refuse to amnesty him. And draft a player in the first that they won't have to pay for awhile.

    They get an Italian Neal, and a scrub from the Pacers who wasn't good enough to beat out Mahinmi or Hansborough for steady playing time. They had options, and they had all their future picks to put protections on for trade, they just couldn't/wouldn't do anything other than the average of keeping the same roster.

    Good for Indiana. It might not work out because it's all just on paper, but they weren't content to just cross their fingers and hope that next time it will be different just because and pretend no one else was going to get better either.
    I liked your post but just change those two words to "waste money."

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    Do you ever talk basketball you fat ? All you ever do on this site in talk people and tell them to "drink bleach" or suck off got posters like Obstructed View and lap up the of older members like Solid D/Ed Helicopter Jones/timvp/etc. if anyone makes a point about anything and theyre not on your approved list of forum gods then you talk them when in reality you're a ing dumb that quit on his team and then acted like a when you welshed on your promise to leave the forum. you dont post much anymore, but anytime you do, it's nothing but empty bandwidth.

    take your own advice and guzzle that bleach down got
    rofl. QFT.

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    Do you ever talk basketball you fat ? All you ever do on this site in talk people and tell them to "drink bleach" or suck off got posters like Obstructed View and lap up the of older members like Solid D/Ed Helicopter Jones/timvp/etc. if anyone makes a point about anything and theyre not on your approved list of forum gods then you talk them when in reality you're a ing dumb that quit on his team and then acted like a when you welshed on your promise to leave the forum. you dont post much anymore, but anytime you do, it's nothing but empty bandwidth.

    take your own advice and guzzle that bleach down got



    Oh my.

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    Pacers go 7 games and use the offseason to get better on paper. Spurs go 7 games and use the offseason to . . . well . . . save money, I guess? I think as far as % of the cap, the Spurs salaries this next year will be about the lowest in what, 10 years? Haven't done the math yet, but the team is really doing well as far as monies go. They get the full 7 games in the finals for all that revenue, but don't have to spend any money on rings or a parade and all the associated costs. Then they don't buy out Bonner, and then refuse to amnesty him. And draft a player in the first that they won't have to pay for awhile.

    They get an Italian Neal, and a scrub from the Pacers who wasn't good enough to beat out Mahinmi or Hansborough for steady playing time. They had options, and they had all their future picks to put protections on for trade, they just couldn't/wouldn't do anything other than the average of keeping the same roster.

    Good for Indiana. It might not work out because it's all just on paper, but they weren't content to just cross their fingers and hope that next time it will be different just because and pretend no one else was going to get better either.

    Yeah that whole assets and not having them thing is just a terrible inconvenience...

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    You blatantly took it out of context. Unbeknownst to you, it is possible to critique something without suggesting it's poor or inept.
    Ah yes, the "do as I say not as I do" moment. Keep the pearls of wisdom coming.

    I'm not at all implying that; you just made that up. Of course they did their due diligence to get done what they wanted to, just like every other team does in every sport. Too bad that's irrelevant, since this is a results oriented business and they didn't get the results they needed to this off season.
    Yes, yes. We've heard all of this before....as recently as last offseason after the WCF as I recall. The ty thing is, eventually you'll be correct. Perhaps the coming season will yield the harvest you're looking for.

    Losers make excuses like that, while other contenders and pseudo ones almost always find ways to get done what they want. The Pacers are a perfect example of that. Next to no flexibility, nor assets (other than a late 1st), yet they've managed to re-build their bench.
    Good for the Pacers. If the Spurs find themselves in an identical situation in the future, your argument will hold water. And no, similar is not identical.

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    the pacers had a pretty good offseason, not gna lie.

    but the same people that rag on the mavs for breaking apart their championship team didn't want us, a team that was the closest team ever not to win one, to break ours apart by not resigning manu and/or tiago

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    Yes, yes. We've heard all of this before....as recently as last offseason after the WCF as I recall. The ty thing is, eventually you'll be correct. Perhaps the coming season will yield the harvest you're looking for.
    They got lucky, both internally (unless you think they had something to do with Duncan somehow turning back the clock to the extent he did, Parker somehow getting a bit better and Leonard continuing his rapid ascent) and externally (the Thunder made a terrible trade, the Lakers self combusted and between the Westbrook injury and the three teams they had to go through and the state two were in physically, they had as easy a path to the Finals as possible in the West).

    Good for the Pacers. If the Spurs find themselves in an identical situation in the future, your argument will hold water. And no, similar is not identical.
    The Spurs had more flexibility, have more assets and also have lesser needs and should have more of an urgency to win now. Try as you might, there is no viable excuse for their sub par off season.

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    That's right got, you have no words.

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    Do you ever talk basketball you fat ? All you ever do on this site in talk people and tell them to "drink bleach" or suck off got posters like Obstructed View and lap up the of older members like Solid D/Ed Helicopter Jones/timvp/etc. if anyone makes a point about anything and theyre not on your approved list of forum gods then you talk them when in reality you're a ing dumb that quit on his team and then acted like a when you welshed on your promise to leave the forum. you dont post much anymore, but anytime you do, it's nothing but empty bandwidth.

    take your own advice and guzzle that bleach down got
    Kony bullying scrubs in the paint, tbh

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    Was that before or after we traded Boozer?
    well played!

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    That's right got, you have no words.
    No I do, I'm just laughing at Internet tough guy. Good for you.

    Your mom is calling, time to clean your room.

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    No I do, I'm just laughing at Internet tough guy. Good for you.

    Your mom is calling, time to clean your room.
    Good one fatass. I'm not the one running from thread to thread telling others to drink bleach or play in traffic, that's you. then again we all know you're a porky looking got with a red nose so it would pretty hard for someone of your prodigious girth to pretend to be a tough guy

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    Kony bullying scrubs in the paint, tbh
    Not really, tbh

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    Good one fatass. I'm not the one running from thread to thread telling others to drink bleach or play in traffic, that's you. then again we all know you're a porky looking got with a red nose so it would pretty hard for someone of your prodigious girth to pretend to be a tough guy
    Shut up

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    You and the rest of the apologists want people to have no opinions on a message board and instead constantly pat the front office on the back for the 4 championships and sustained success this late into the Duncan era. Those of us who are appreciative, but not satisfied (not when the team is so close) with that are sick of the resting on their laurels/hoping to win another championship mentality and would have liked to have seen them do what the Pacers did, which was shore up their weaknesses for once. Why is that asking too much?
    I actually like Indiana's offseason a lot, especially Watson - whose low turnover rate should play well for a team that struggled at times to even get the ball into their offense against Miami's pressure D.

    But it should be noted that they had numerous GLARING holes (by contender standards). Better ballhandling and reliable 3rd big just being 2 of them.

    Spurs don't have any major weaknesses. The ones they do have are at spots that don't figure to play more than 8-10 mpg (maybe half that in postseason), and there really wasn't any way to land an impact guy at those slots without creating big (probably BIGGER) issues elsewhere - i.e. letting Tiago walk for cap room.

    And for all the talk of Spurs not being able to land players, that is almost entirely based on missing out on Kidd in '03 (who took almost 20% more $ to stay in NJ). Otherwise, Spurs have rarely had any legit money to offer these guys. Might as well say that the Lakers have proven that they can't land any impact FAs either since they haven't done so since the CBA was overhauled in '99. Spurs were able to land Bowen, Horry, Barry, Finley, Van Exel, Udoka, Gooden, McDyess, & Diaw - to various success/failure, but each had other suitors (often offering more). They've also been able to keep virtually every FA they wanted to since Captain Jack (and even that wasn't an all-out effort).

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    Was that before or after we traded Boozer?

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    I actually like Indiana's offseason a lot, especially Watson - whose low turnover rate should play well for a team that struggled at times to even get the ball into their offense against Miami's pressure D.

    But it should be noted that they had numerous GLARING holes (by contender standards). Better ballhandling and reliable 3rd big just being 2 of them.

    Spurs don't have any major weaknesses. The ones they do have are at spots that don't figure to play more than 8-10 mpg (maybe half that in postseason), and there really wasn't any way to land an impact guy at those slots without creating big (probably BIGGER) issues elsewhere - i.e. letting Tiago walk for cap room.
    Manu could've taken half of the $14.5M that the FO rewarded him for his pathetic performance in the NBA finals and the FO could've amnestied Matt Bonner. Doing those two things probably would've landed us a pretty good FA.

    And for all the talk of Spurs not being able to land players, that is almost entirely based on missing out on Kidd in '03 (who took almost 20% more $ to stay in NJ). Otherwise, Spurs have rarely had any legit money to offer these guys. Might as well say that the Lakers have proven that they can't land any impact FAs either since they haven't done so since the CBA was overhauled in '99. Spurs were able to land Bowen, Horry, Barry, Finley, Van Exel, Udoka, Gooden, McDyess, & Diaw - to various success/failure, but each had other suitors (often offering more). They've also been able to keep virtually every FA they wanted to since Captain Jack (and even that wasn't an all-out effort).
    Most of those players that you mentioned came during a time when the Spurs were winning championships. They haven't won since 2007 so a lot of free agents just view us as playoff contenders and nothing else.

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    Manu could've taken half of the $14.5M that the FO rewarded him for his pathetic performance in the NBA finals and the FO could've amnestied Matt Bonner. Doing those two things probably would've landed us a pretty good FA.

    Most of those players that you mentioned came during a time when the Spurs were winning championships. They haven't won since 2007 so a lot of free agents just view us as playoff contenders and nothing else.

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    Manu could've taken half of the $14.5M that the FO rewarded him for his pathetic performance in the NBA finals and the FO could've amnestied Matt Bonner. Doing those two things probably would've landed us a pretty good FA.

    Most of those players that you mentioned came during a time when the Spurs were winning championships. They haven't won since 2007 so a lot of free agents just view us as playoff contenders and nothing else.
    As I've said before, it was really the 2009 off-season that closed the Spurs' window for a couple of seasons. They made big moves to shore up their weaknesses, and they ended up haunting them for the next two years. Pop relied too much on retreads, and the team missed out on several opportunities to bring in young talent. They could have gotten Amir Johnson and Trevor Ariza (whom I don't think would have busted on the Spurs) while keeping Bowen and Thomas to make further trades. But they wanted win-now players instead.

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    As I've said before, it was really the 2009 off-season that closed the Spurs' window for a couple of seasons. They made big moves to shore up their weaknesses, and they ended up haunting them for the next two years. Pop relied too much on retreads, and the team missed out on several opportunities to bring in young talent. They could have gotten Amir Johnson and Trevor Ariza (whom I don't think would have busted on the Spurs) while keeping Bowen and Thomas to make further trades. But they wanted win-now players instead.
    As good as the Spurs FO is, and arguably the best in all of sports if you can believe the experts consensus of opinions, they still make their fair share of mistakes. At least, as some of us point these mistakes out, we don't whine about it or post the same drivel over and over again until it becomes painfully redundant.

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    As good as the Spurs FO is, and arguably the best in all of sports if you can believe the experts consensus of opinions, they still make their fair share of mistakes. At least, as some of us point these mistakes out, we don't whine about it or post the same drivel over and over again until it becomes painfully redundant.
    No FO is perfect, but the Spurs definitely have one of the top FO's in the league. Very cautious and patient. Very boring virtues to most fans, but I think it save us a lot of greif in the long run. I think our FO is very careful to make sure the players we get don't screw up team chemistry and are willing to play our style of unselfish ball. Not all players are like that.

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    As good as the Spurs FO is, and arguably the best in all of sports if you can believe the experts consensus of opinions, they still make their fair share of mistakes. At least, as some of us point these mistakes out, we don't whine about it or post the same drivel over and over again until it becomes painfully redundant.
    Sure, but I am just saying how this at ude that the Spurs need to do whatever they can to win a ring this season is potentially harmful. Because the front office had that desperation a few years ago, they ended up squandering two of Duncan's last years on ill-built teams. Their new plan is working much better. I don't get why people are so inclined to have them stray for people like Scola.

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    Sure, but I am just saying how this at ude that the Spurs need to do whatever they can to win a ring this season is potentially harmful. Because the front office had that desperation a few years ago, they ended up squandering two of Duncan's last years on ill-built teams. Their new plan is working much better. I don't get why people are so inclined to have them stray for people like Scola.
    I agree. Their course may not appear to be the flashy news worthy course, but it quite possibly may be the soundest course.
    I still think they go after Oden however, for all the positive reasons that have already been enumerated, and IMHO that really isn't the flashy course, but rather an educated gamble with a potentially very high upside.

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    I actually like Indiana's offseason a lot, especially Watson - whose low turnover rate should play well for a team that struggled at times to even get the ball into their offense against Miami's pressure D.

    But it should be noted that they had numerous GLARING holes (by contender standards). Better ballhandling and reliable 3rd big just being 2 of them.

    Spurs don't have any major weaknesses. The ones they do have are at spots that don't figure to play more than 8-10 mpg (maybe half that in postseason), and there really wasn't any way to land an impact guy at those slots without creating big (probably BIGGER) issues elsewhere - i.e. letting Tiago walk for cap room.

    And for all the talk of Spurs not being able to land players, that is almost entirely based on missing out on Kidd in '03 (who took almost 20% more $ to stay in NJ). Otherwise, Spurs have rarely had any legit money to offer these guys. Might as well say that the Lakers have proven that they can't land any impact FAs either since they haven't done so since the CBA was overhauled in '99. Spurs were able to land Bowen, Horry, Barry, Finley, Van Exel, Udoka, Gooden, McDyess, & Diaw - to various success/failure, but each had other suitors (often offering more). They've also been able to keep virtually every FA they wanted to since Captain Jack (and even that wasn't an all-out effort).
    Unless you count yourself among the apologists, I wasn't talking about you and I did point out that they had more weaknesses (along with less flexibility and assets), which only makes it all the more impressive what they did.

    What are you talking about? Until proven otherwise, backup PG is a major weakness and because it is, Parker is going to continue to have to run himself ragged all regular season to get this team a top few seed and then he's going to have to do it for four rounds (with increased minutes, no less), all while avoiding getting banged up. If he does, they're screwed, since they probably don't have someone good enough to play at that level period and definitely don't for more than 8-10 minutes.

    No, it's almost entirely based on hearing about them supposedly being interested in a bunch of names every off season and missing out on damn near every one, especially the ones they want most. These are just off the top of my head from recent years: Maggette, Bell, Butler, Howard, Hill, Martin, Camby, Kirilenko and in the coming days, you can add Oden.

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    come talk to me when you re ed chimp brain can piece together legit bball discussion, gnsf. until then get back to oiling up that butthole for me

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