Have you heard this rumor???

[Dex]

Seems like some of you guys got up on the wrong side of the bed.

The guy stated he thought it was a rumor in his very first post. Don't hate because he's posting what he heard through whatever grapevine he heard it through. That's why this forum exists: discussion.

[sickdsm]

No, I said if on was to follow your misinformed logic, you would include all those areas for Minneapolis. Try to keep up -- if you keep having trouble I'll try to dumb it down even further.


.............BTW, are there other NBA franchises in Minnesota that I don't know about?

You dumb it down to keep up with me? Try to reverse that. My logic is that your trying to discredit that 6.5 million people. The problem is those millions of people are packed within an hour or two. Any idiot would understand that that following YOUR misinformed logic you would have to drive, according to mapquest, 650 miles and 10 and half hours to reach Williston ND, to encompass roughly those 6.5 million people i've talked about. What part of there are more people packed in around san antonio than small market cities like minnepolis don't you understand, its really not that hard. Yes the city of san antonio is bigger. The division of the two different cites, St. Paul and Minneapolis attribute to that. Yes, including the suburbs, the Mps area is bigger. Once you get outside that theres NOTHING in Mps. though. Your whining over whether a city three quarters of a milllion people within an hour has a large portion of Spur fans. I know a couple of different people that live well outside the metro area that have been known to take in a couple twins games a week, usually one. An hour drive to the light rail station and 45 minutes later you get dropped off at the door. Go ahead, tell me these people aren't in the twins area. The twins, mind you, are widely acknowledged to be one of the small market teams that were so unattractive to the league that they were trying to be contracted a few years ago.

"but, but, but, ChumpDumper says that because the Mps area is ranked 14th in the media market that there a hot ticket"

Funny, especially when according to ESPN's poll the most popular sport teams in the area were
Vikings
UM Gophors
Twins
Wild
PACKERs
Then wolves.

I may have one or two switched but i rememer the packers were more popular than the wolves were.

So you go ahead and try to reason that Austin doesn't count because thers two more less succesful and boring (rockets) teams hundreds of miles further away.

Yeah? I admit I don't really know of how many Spurs games get aired in Austin and that UT does dominate. But in terms of my travels to Austin the second most common merchandise I find available and being worn behind UT is the Spurs.

I think to a certain extent in terms of television viewership you need to combine Austin with San Antonio when it comes to the Spurs.

That guy certainly doesn't agree with you.

Apparntly neither do you.

I think not. Only a handful of games are actually shown up here -- quite a few Maverick games make it on FSW as well

So then you tried to say that more (quite a few) Mavs games are shown than Spurs (only a handful).

Which stance are you going with today?

[ChumpDumper]

So then you tried to say that more (quite a few) Mavs games are shown than Spurs (only a handful).

Don't have the exact numbers. If you'd like to do a detailed study of the TV listings here, be my guest. On cable there are both Mavs and Spurs -- on local, non-national broadcast there are perhaps 12-16 games a year. BigDaddyD doesn't live here either.

Your stupidly simplistic argument is that every Austinite is a Spur fan and is compelled to follow the Spurs. I have given you several reasons why this is not true -- all you can say to that is your friend takes the train to see Twin games.

ChumpDumper says that because the Mps area is ranked 14th in the media market that there a hot ticket

Link that quote right now or STFU. I can just as easily make lies about you. Link the very scientific ESPN/Zogby/Harris poll while you're at it.

And show the poll for Austin as well.

And buy me some tickets for the light rail line to San Antonio so i can see a game a week.

PACKERS

Are you telling me fans in your area might like another pro team that's several hundred miles away?

In another state even?

Next time try not to help me win the argument.

Thanks anyway, I was doing fine on my own

Believe me, I used to be perplexed at the rather stark seperation between San Antonio and Austin. It's nice that you are so knowledgeable about the lifestyles and tendencies of the citizens of a city you have never even visted. You should write a guidebook.

[sickdsm]

When did i ever say that all of austin were spurs fans? Wow, what an idiotic thing to try and put in my mouth. Lets go fact for fact so we can smack that dumbness out of your head.

1. San Antonio is larger than Minneapolis
2. San Antonio's metro area is smaller than Minneapolis's.
3. outside of the metro area, san antonio's vicin y has a much, much larger population
4. People ACTUALLY are sport fans and follow the teams EVEN if they live outside the metro area!
5. There is a city of 672K about an hour drive away.
6. Minneapolis and St. Paul COMBINED are only 662K. (all 2000 figures used here http://www.epodunk.com )
7. The 16th Largest city in the US, Austin, is a satellite city, basically an extended suburb, of the 8th largest in the US.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html

8. The next biggest city to Mps. and st. paul is Rochester, at 92K.
9. The nearest city to the TC that is at least the size of Austin is Chicago.

http://www.citypopulation.de/

Why do you insist that Austin and san antoion are separated so far? You can say what you want about the culture, values, recreation but the FACT remains that its an hour drive. Fans no matter where they live tend to follow the closest team or a player that grew up/went to school there, unless your Pooh i guess. Sure, there will be others, but the MAJORITY (meaning over a third in austin's case) will be local fans.

You didn't get that dig about the packers. I figured it go over your head. There are more Wisconsin football TRANSPLANTS (if the vikings were based on the east half there wouldn't be many packer fans) than there is NBA fans in the TC.

Why would you want me to find a link of something that i just said? Obviously i wasn't talking about something you said or i wouldn't have stated "but chumpdumper said....." Its sarcasm based on someone using your idiotic approach to this as a reference.

As for the poll, i heard it on the radio, i'll let you know if i find a link. But what part don't yo uget? Hockey, football and college athletics are more popular than the NBA here? That's not uncommon to think that. Its not like i said the WNBA team is more popular.

[ChumpDumper]

Why do you insist that Austin and san antoion are separated so far?

Because Austin is a world unto itself.

You didn't get that dig about the packers. I figured it go over your head. There are more Wisconsin football TRANSPLANTS (if the vikings were based on the east half there wouldn't be many packer fans) than there is NBA fans in the TC.

If NFL transplants exist, so can NBA transplants -- I can tell you missed that one.

As for the poll, i heard it on the radio

So second or third-hand information about a completely unscientific internet poll is your gospel?

But what part don't yo uget? Hockey, football and college athletics are more popular than the NBA here?

Just as UT, and the two pro football franchises are more popular than the NBA here -- and the NBA loyalties are divided among three teams -- what part of THAT do you not get?

[Marcus Bryant]

When did i ever say that all of austin were spurs fans? Wow, what an idiotic thing to try and put in my mouth. Lets go fact for fact so we can smack that dumbness out of your head.

1. San Antonio is larger than Minneapolis

Thank you for playing. According to the US Census Bureau, the Minneapolis-St. Paul Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) had a population of 2,968,806 in 2000.

The San Antonio MSA? 1,592,383.

Also, as someone who has actually lived in both San Antonio and Austin for extended periods of time, Austin certainly cannot be considered to be a part of the Spurs' fan base proper. UT athletics is the big thing in Austin. NBA loyalties are divided among the Spurs, Rockets, Mavs, other favorite teams of transplants, agnostism and weed.

So shut the up already, Wolves fan.

[Marcus Bryant]

In addition, the San Antonio MSA had an average per capita income of $18,518 in 2000.

The Minneapolis-St. Paul MSA? $26,219.

Hmmm...what's likely to be a more desirable media market? One with a much larger total population, an average per capita income that is about 50% higher and a significantly larger number of households with TVs or the other?

Stop wasting our time.

[Marcus Bryant]

Also of interest is the fact that the US Census Bureau does not consider Austin and San Marcos to be a part of the San Antonio MSA.

But what does the US Census Bureau know about population and geography? We have sickdsm!

And Garnett has had a ton of talent to play with in Minnesota and he couldn't lead that team to anything. Duncan is obviously the superior player. Keep coming up with your lame excuses for overrated KG all you like.

[sickdsm]

Once again, some idiot brings the metro part into this. Read again where i stated OUTSIDE the metro area, many, MANY times over. If your not going to follow the discussion completly MB, don't try to jump in. NEVER once did i say media market either. Never once in my statement did i also ever say that San Antonio MSA (not the same thing sherlock) is bigger than Mps. MSA.

Go back to school.

I heard about the poll on KFAN, Chad Hartman, the PbP guy for Wolves radio has a daily 2 and a half hour show there. Little bit different than hearing third hand.

Moreso, the transplants i am referring to come from a skip across the river. It would be absolutly idiotic of anyone to state that there are just as much if not more packer fans in Mps than viking fans which is similar to you are trying to do to Austin. If UT is more popular in Austin, thats fine. We're not comparing the spurs to a college team, were comparing to the mavs and rockets.

[Marcus Bryant]

Once again, some idiot brings the metro part into this. Read again where i stated OUTSIDE the metro area, many, MANY times over. If your not going to follow the discussion completly MB, don't try to jump in. NEVER once did i say media market either. Never once in my statement did i also ever say that San Antonio MSA (not the same thing sherlock) is bigger than Mps. MSA.

Outside of the metro area doesn't mean a ing thing. Don't you get it?

Go back to school.

What the do you know about demography and media markets? Nothing, obviously.

I heard about the poll on KFAN, Chad Hartman, the PbP guy for Wolves radio has a daily 2 and a half hour show there. Little bit different than hearing third hand.

Moreso, the transplants i am referring to come from a skip across the river. It would be absolutly idiotic of anyone to state that there are just as much if not more packer fans in Mps than viking fans which is similar to you are trying to do to Austin. If UT is more popular in Austin, thats fine. We're not comparing the spurs to a college team, were comparing to the mavs and rockets.

Outside of the metro area doesn't matter, idiot. Get a ing clue and actually get a degree that doesn't require $19.95 and a credit card number or whatever.

[ChumpDumper]

It would be absolutly idiotic of anyone to state that there are just as much if not more packer fans in Mps than viking fans which is similar to you are trying to do to Austin.

That would be relevant if the Spurs were indeed the Austin Spurs.

They aren't.

Nice try though.

It's more like saying there could be as many Packer fans in Eau Claire as there are Viking fans. Catch a clue.

[sickdsm]

Nice attempt, too bad that your not considering the SIZE of Austin.

33 % of Austin is a uva lot more impressive than Eau Claire. Not to mention its farther away.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, ten miles....incredible.

I agree that 33% of /austin is more impressive, just as the percentages of Dallas and Houston fans and fans that don't follow the NBA at all here.

I'll ask once again.

Have you ever stepped foot in Austin in your entire life?

That's what we thought.

[Sense]

Why are you guys arguiing about cities?

[CubanMustGo]

Basically, it's a pissing contest to see which team can , moan, and whine the most about being supported by the fewest people.