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    Closing the canal is ridiculously easy for motivated terrorists. Blowing up one ship could block it for months.
    So...

    Why has this not occurred?

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    Yeah, how would they go about that?

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    Yeah, how would they go about that?
    Seriously? Hijack one big container ship or tanker, turn it sideways and scuttle it and blow holes in the hull. Don't even need to use missiles. It's the same logistic issue with the Iranians controlling the Straits of Hormuz. Sink one supertanker with a silkworm missile and oil can't get out of the Persian Gulf.

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    what is america gaining from egypt anyway?
    Security for Israel

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    Seriously? Hijack one big container ship or tanker, turn it sideways and scuttle it and blow holes in the hull. Don't even need to use missiles. It's the same logistic issue with the Iranians controlling the Straits of Hormuz. Sink one supertanker with a silkworm missile and oil can't get out of the Persian Gulf.

    yeah but that's a last resort thing for Iran. They screw themselves royally.

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    How would they hijack that?

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    How would they hijack that?
    don't have to hijack it. As with the Cole, just mosey on up and fire lots of RPGs, etc at the water line.

    I'm sure there's plenty of great munitions the Islamists grabbed when Khadafi fell.

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    How would they hijack that?
    Sorry Chump, I'm not playing your stupid game today. If you really want to play stupid you are gonna have to find another sucker to troll.

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    Sorry Chump, I'm not playing your stupid game today. If you really want to play stupid you are gonna have to find another sucker to troll.
    Just say you have no idea, dude.

    It's not a crime.

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    Guess it was impossible to hijack 4 airliners on American soil too. Idiot. There are a thousand possible scenarios the canal could be blocked. It just takes one.

    /chumpidiot

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    Guess it was impossible to hijack 4 airliners on American soil too.
    Yeah, they bought tickets.
    Idiot. There are a thousand possible scenarios the canal could be blocked. It just takes one.

    /chumpidiot
    You posted the picture. Tell us how that ship could be hijacked.

    /ButthurtCowboy

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    My bad. 0bama did indeed denounce the coup, but didn't explicitly call for the reinstatement of Morsi. Chalk up one for the Chumpster.
    If he would even call it a coup, it would be illegal to continue to give money to the egiptian army, so no, he didn't denounce the "coup".

    It's clear that this takeover of Egypt by army was done with full approval of USA, they just can't come out and support it openly. The hope is to remove the brotherhood from the "democratic" process and then repeat the elections with hopefully a more "correct" results this time around. Of course how alienating at least a quarter of population will do for stability and prosperity of Egypt in the long term, and what effects it will have on growth of terrorist cells in Egypt this will have, is another matter, but USA diplomacy was never known for its long term thinking.

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    If Obama stops the aid because of the violence..wouldn't that men he would be supporting the Muslim Brotherhood? the same group that all of his opponents ed about when the they won the election?
    No it would mean he doesn't support military takeovers of countries and supports democratically elected governments. Think of all the other countries getting the military aid, do they have to fear a coup even if they are fully democratic? Whose ally is the USA really, the army's or the nation's?

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    Yeah, they bought tickets.You posted the picture. Tell us how that ship could be hijacked.

    /ButthurtCowboy


    not butthurt at all.

    Just can't imagine you are so stupid that you can't think of a single scenario where an unarmed ship could be hijacked or sunk. Pretty pathetic, really.

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    not butthurt at all.

    Just can't imagine you are so stupid that you can't think of a single scenario where an unarmed ship could be hijacked or sunk. Pretty pathetic, really.
    You haven't shown that you can think of a scenario where that ship could be hijacked.

    And you're pretty butthurt about it.

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    Democracy in that region of the world especially is three wolves, a sheep, and a rabbit voting on what is for dinner.

    True democracy sucks.
    Literally 40% of the countries population took to the streets immediately before Morsi was deposed. We call our system of obnoxiously limited choice democracy but it's barely a republic in my view.

    Myself, I am perfectly fine with a secular interest obliterating a fundamentalist lunge into a power vacuum so as to prevent a theocracy.

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    Secular is fine. But secular governments do not trash a significant portion of the voters and survive. Mohamed ElBaradei quitting is an important sign.

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    Literally 40% of the countries population took to the streets immediately before Morsi was deposed. We call our system of obnoxiously limited choice democracy but it's barely a republic in my view.

    Myself, I am perfectly fine with a secular interest obliterating a fundamentalist lunge into a power vacuum so as to prevent a theocracy.
    Seriously?

    The USA is not a democracy. Never has been.

    Technically we are a cons utional republic.

    Unfortunately we are rapidly forgetting the cons utional part.

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    And Chump has reached a new low of dialogue when he refuses to grasp the concept that illiterate Somalian pirates in freaking sailboats with outboard motors can seize commercial ships on the open ocean and yet he thinks that the Arab Brotherhood with all the weapons stolen in Libya couldn't seize or sink a ship in the limited confines of the Suez Canal. He has truly reached a new low in Chumpdom.

    @ Chump.

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    btw

    Aug. 19, 1953.

    is the 60th anniversary of the CIA overthrowing Mossedegh to install the hereditary monarch, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi.

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    I'm going to side with CC on his discussion with Chump....that's a dumb ing question about "how to hijack" the boat....CC isn't a ing terrorist but rather was throwing out a hypothetical that doesn't seem that far fetched....chump on the other hand is just blatantly doing the "chump thing"...

    Be more creative or come up with a new thing or you risk becoming Boutons.

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    And Chump has reached a new low of dialogue when he refuses to grasp the concept that illiterate Somalian pirates in freaking sailboats with outboard motors can seize commercial ships on the open ocean and yet he thinks that the Arab Brotherhood with all the weapons stolen in Libya couldn't seize or sink a ship in the limited confines of the Suez Canal. He has truly reached a new low in Chumpdom.

    @ Chump.
    Hey, I honestly just want to know how they are going to board that ship pictured in or around the canal where they have enough time run it aground in the scenario you laid out.

    If you that I can imagine how they can do it, why can't you actually say it?

    You too, johnsmith. If it's not far-fetched to you, step up. I'm willing to read it but if all you guys are going to do is whine it doesn't work.

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    Seriously?

    The USA is not a democracy. Never has been.

    Technically we are a cons utional republic.

    Unfortunately we are rapidly forgetting the cons utional part.
    The US isn't a "pure" or "direct" democracy, but it's certainly a democratic system. There would be nothing inaccurate in categorizing the US as a democracy.

    Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.

    Also interesting to note is that the notion of "republic" in the US has changed over time, and it was originally a novel concept compared to what was known as a "republic" at the time (more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic#United_States)

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    Hey, I honestly just want to know how they are going to board that ship pictured in or around the canal where they have enough time run it aground in the scenario you laid out.

    If you that I can imagine how they can do it, why can't you actually say it?

    You too, johnsmith. If it's not far-fetched to you, step up. I'm willing to read it but if all you guys are going to do is whine it doesn't work.
    With a .50 cal BMG of course. Those things can shoot down an airplane from 4 miles away.

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    Be more creative or come up with a new thing or you risk becoming Boutons.
    Be more specific.

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