Trade Target: Stephen Jackson

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Stephen Jackson was the clutch shooter for this team in 2003 playoffs (overall)

But I dont remember the lineups of parker/manu/jackson/duncan/X doing all that well

Isnt jackson more comfortable at the 2 spot?

I wouldnt want his ass back, but if we got him I would not complain, and neither should anyone else....he's a player, and he's proven himself to us that he can play

[wildbill2u]

The Spurs had a chance to sign him in '04 as well.

Thank God they didn't.
He's an average % shooter who hogs the ball and puts it up a lot. Let's put Mr. Big Game Clutch Shooter in perspective. When it came time to keep the Pacers in the hunt for the championship, in 6 semifinal games, he shot (Y'all ready for this?)

28 of 86 for .326 FG% and 6 of 32 for .188 3pt.% He wasn't shy about putting his dead-eye clutch shooting to the test--and by the last few games, his teammates were freezing him out since passing to him was like passing to a black hole.

His 6 game playoff average of Asst to TO was 1.3 to 3.17 so I guess they were smart.

He obviously thinks he's a starter so where would you play this guy and who would you put on the bench? Bowen? Manu? I think not.

Can you defend your boy as a clutch shooter in spite of his record in the playoffs?

[Sense]

Stephen Jackson was the clutch shooter for this team in 2003 playoffs (overall)

But I dont remember the lineups of parker/manu/jackson/duncan/X doing all that well

Isnt jackson more comfortable at the 2 spot?

I wouldnt want his ass back, but if we got him I would not complain, and neither should anyone else....he's a player, and he's proven himself to us that he can play

He wasn't the clutch shooter for the Spurs in 2003...

That's Mister Steve Kerr , ty.

[Sense]

Thank God they didn't.
He's an average % shooter who hogs the ball and puts it up a lot. Let's put Mr. Big Game Clutch Shooter in perspective. When it came time to keep the Pacers in the hunt for the championship, in 6 semifinal games, he shot (Y'all ready for this?)

28 of 86 for .326 FG% and 6 of 32 for .188 3pt.% He wasn't shy about putting his dead-eye clutch shooting to the test--and by the last few games, his teammates were freezing him out since passing to him was like passing to a black hole.

His 6 game playoff average of Asst to TO was 1.3 to 3.17 so I guess they were smart.

He obviously thinks he's a starter so where would you play this guy and who would you put on the bench? Bowen? Manu? I think not.

Can you defend your boy as a clutch shooter in spite of his record in the playoffs?

Stats were ugly in all the playoff games the Pacers played. He had to ball hog because the team had nowhere to go with no Artest, and at times he did bail them out, and he lead the team in ppg in the playoffs.

And I think I'd be willing to bench Bowen, or atleast try that, if not bench.

And yeah I'll defend him as a clutch shooter in spite of his record in the playoffs...when he's with the Spurs.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He wasn't the clutch shooter for the Spurs in 2003...

That's Mister Steve Kerr , ty.

steve kerr was god-like in that mavericks game, but overall playoffs he did not do much, stephen jackson sunk ALOT of threes in every 4th quarter every step of the way

so many that every time we watch the DVD we are like holy crap he hit alot of 3's for us in the 4th

[wildbill2u]

Stats were ugly in all the playoff games the Pacers played. He had to ball hog because the team had nowhere to go with no Artest, and at times he did bail them out, and he lead the team in ppg in the playoffs.

And I think I'd be willing to bench Bowen, or atleast try that, if not bench.

And yeah I'll defend him as a clutch shooter in spite of his record in the playoffs...when he's with the Spurs.

How can he be a clutch shooter if he doesn't come through in the clutch when he's needed?

So you're saying he's clutch only when playing for the Spurs based on that one trick pony series. You know he also missed a lot that series and as some have pointed out, his turnovers put us in a hole to begin with.

His career playoff 3pt. average is .33% and with SA in 2003 it was .32%.

The guy you want him to replace in the starting lineup, Bowen, shot 38%
on FGs and a stunning .448% on 3PTs in the Championship when HIS nuts were on the line. And Bowen TO was .65%

[Sense]

How can he be a clutch shooter if he doesn't come through in the clutch when he's needed?

So you're saying he's clutch only when playing for the Spurs based on that one trick pony series. You know he also missed a lot that series and as some have pointed out, his turnovers put us in a hole to begin with.

His career playoff 3pt. average is .33% and with SA in 2003 it was .32%.

The guy you want him to replace in the starting lineup, Bowen, shot 38%
on FGs and a stunning .448% on 3PTs in the Championship when HIS nuts were on the line. And Bowen TO was .65%

He was definately clutch for us in 2003, so I don't care how he's handled in other teams...without him we probably don't win the championship that year, and for that I'd want him on the Spurs again.

Don't talk about turnovers, we have alot of those machines in the team already.

Bowen shoots 38% from the field and that's good?

Yeah, obviously he's gonna have a good percentage from the arc, because that's only offense, he has to be good at it in order to be a starter.

Let's just say we get more ft %, 1 more offensive threat, and more role players open.

I'll take that.

[Marcus Bryant]

If not for Jack the Spurs would've faced a Game 7 in the 2003 WCF. Ditto for the 2003 NBA Finals.

all of you Spurs fans who love to dump on guys who helped this team win championships just because they aren't Spurs anymore. it, some of you do it even when they are still Spurs.

[boutons]

"a Game 7 in the 2003 WCF"

?? Steve Kerr hit 4 3Gs in the 4th qtr to win Game6, not SJax. If SJax did anything in the 4th qtr, it was not as decisive as Steve's 4 3Gs.

[wildbill2u]

Don't talk about turnovers, we have alot of those machines in the team already.
Bowen shoots 38% from the field and that's good?

Yeah, obviously he's gonna have a good percentage from the arc, because that's only offense, he has to be good at it in order to be a starter.

Let's just say we get more ft %, 1 more offensive threat, and more role players open.

I'll take that.

Re turnovers: Exactly my point. We don't need the JAX turnover machine on top of what we have.

Re: Bowen shooting 38%. Unfortunately for your argument, Bowen's percentage is better than JAX which proves my point. Facts are stubborn things which can't be waved away.

Re: Bowen as starter because he's good on offense. --Actually he starts because he's the best defender in the league. Do you ever watch these games?

I'll give you the free throw percentage. JAX IS better. But more role players open? What does it matter if he won't pass the ball?

I simply don't understand the JAC cult. One good game (which is arguable) in the face of a lot of contradictory facts and stats, and you want to canonize this guy as ST. JAX forever. Well, the premise of this thread is that we might trade for him. For all the above reasons, We won't.

[Sense]

I simply don't understand. One good game (which is arguable) in the face of a lot of contradictory facts and stats, and you want to canonize this guy as ST. JAX forever. Well, the premise of this thread is that we might trade for him. For all the above reasons, We won't.

I noticed you didn't read any of my previous posts..

I also don't think we are getting him back, idiot...but I don't think we aren't getting him back because he "sucks" in your words basically... we aren't getting him back because the Pacers know they can't afford to lose such a good acquisition.

[wildbill2u]

I noticed you didn't read any of my previous posts..

I also don't think we are getting him back, idiot...but I don't think we aren't getting him back because he "sucks" in your words basically... we aren't getting him back because the Pacers know they can't afford to lose such a good acquisition.

I answered all your points, but had to go back and edit and your post intervened in the interim. Please see above.

I'm not sure I've ever said JAX sucks, but he's not good enough to start for this team. So there are no compelling basketball reasons to bring him back in any conceivable trade that would appeal to the Spurs, Indiana, or JAX himself.

If you want to warm yourself in the glow of a mythical game some years ago, then have at it, (Name calling would appear here, but I don't need to stoop to it)

[Sense]

Re turnovers: Exactly my point. We don't need the JAX turnover machine on top of what we have.

Re: Bowen shooting 38%. Unfortunately for your argument, Bowen's percentage is better than JAX which proves my point. Facts are stubborn things which can't be waved away.

Re: Bowen as starter because he's good on offense. --Actually he starts because he's the best defender in the league. Do you ever watch these games?

I'll give you the free throw percentage. JAX IS better. But more role players open? What does it matter if he won't pass the ball?

I simply don't understand the JAC cult. One good game (which is arguable) in the face of a lot of contradictory facts and stats, and you want to canonize this guy as ST. JAX forever. Well, the premise of this thread is that we might trade for him. For all the above reasons, We won't.

Jackson changed alot since he left SA, what makes you think he will ballhog, commit turnovers, and have a bad shooting percentage under Pop?

Do you ever watch this team? [/sarcasm]

[Sense]

You mean avatar?

Spurschick made it for meh...

[Marcus Bryant]

"a Game 7 in the 2003 WCF"

?? Steve Kerr hit 4 3Gs in the 4th qtr to win Game6, not SJax. If SJax did anything in the 4th qtr, it was not as decisive as Steve's 4 3Gs.

Did you not watch the game? Jack led the charge back when the Spurs were down by 15. He scored something like 12 points in a run that gave the Spurs the lead.

[50 cent]

I really wish it would happen, but I doubt it ever will. SJax was/is one of my favorite players.

[boutons]

Steve's 4 3's in 4th qtr mean than SJax, whatever he did in 4th qtr, was not the only reason, or even main reason, Spus won game6. Steve's contribution was the dominant, and memorable, contribution.

When Manu came back from his injury in Feb, it was SJax who was continuing to start, but it Manu who was very often closing with SJax sitting.

SJax would not start on the Spurs today, and he would make a minor contribution from the bench. He's emotionally, intellectually (see his DET brawl comments), and, above all, basketball-y, stupid.

[50 cent]

He would be the perfect replacement for Bowen after this coming year. Without SJax's bombs in Game 6 of the WCF, Kerr's heroics would not have even been possible.

[goliath]

SJax's contribution in game 6 of the 03 WCF has sadly been forgotten and overshadowed by Kerr.

We were down what, by 15?

It was Sjax that brought us back. I believe when Kerr started hitting the threes, Sjax had almost single-handedly brought us back to like a 3 point deficit from 15 down.

Personally I would take Sjax back in a heartbeat. Hes one of the few Spurs that have left after FA that I actuallt still miss.