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Boiled down to::
Duncan 4
Hakeem 2
^ so is this what trying to avoid a confrontation with a useful idiot looks like
grow some balls and stop trying to keep your friendship intact...go back hard at his ass..stop being a pussy and playing coy...yall both some es anyhow
Boiled down to::
Duncan 4
Hakeem 2
Hakeem had more wear as only option.
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grow some balls and stop trying to keep your friendship intact...go back hard at his ass..stop being a pussy and playing coy...yall both some es anyhow
His original point was that Tim had more rest over the course of his career, leading to his longevity. I responded by saying Tim had more postseason wear. I don't see what more needed to be said, tbh
Drexler joined the Rockets and was still putting up 18-20 for a few years as Hakeem not-so-gracefully declined
Who else did Hakeem have along the way since Sampson broke down?
Mark Acres (1992-93)
Richard Anderson (1986-88)
Shandon Anderson (1999-01)
Charles Barkley (1996-00)
Elmer Bennett (1996-97)
Walter Berry (1988-89)
Melvin Booker (1995-96)
Anthony Bowie (1989-90)
Tim Breaux (1994-96)
Scott Brooks (1992-95)
Chucky Brown (1994-96)
Tony Brown (1988-89)
Mark Bryant (1995-96)
Matt Bullard (1990-94, 1996-01)
Adrian Caldwell (1989-91, 1994-95)
Antoine Carr (1998-99)
Joseph Barry Carroll (1987-88)
Sam Cassell (1993-96)
Kelvin Cato (1999-01)
Derrick Chievous (1988-90)
Pete Chilcutt (1994-96)
Jason Collier (2000-01)
Sean Colson (2000-01)
Lester Conner (1987-88)
Earl Cureton (1993-94)
Bill Curley (1998-99)
Emanual Davis (1996-98)
Michael erson (1998-99)
Byron Dinkins (1989-90)
Bryce Drew (1998-00)
Clyde Drexler (1994-98)
Craig Ehlo (1984-86)
Mario Elie (1993-98)
Dave Feitl (1986-87, 1990-91)
Eric Floyd (1987-93)
Phil Ford (1984-85)
Steve Francis (1999-01)
World B. Free (1987-88)
Winston Garland (1992-93)
Dan Godfread (1991-92)
Devin Gray (1999-00)
Thomas Hamilton (1999-00)
Ot a Harrington (1996-99)
Steve Harris (1985-88)
Alvin Heggs (1995-96)
Gerald Henderson (1991-92)
Conner Henry (1986-87)
Carl Herrera (1991-95)
Lionel Hollins (1984-85)
Robert Horry (1992-96)
Jaren Jackson (1995-96)
Dave Jamerson (1990-92)
Henry James (1995-96)
Chris Jent (1993-94)
Avery Johnson (1991-92)
Buck Johnson (1986-92)
Eddie Johnson (1996-99)
Frank Johnson (1988-89)
Charles Jones (1994-98)
Dan Langhi (2000-01)
Allen Leavell (1984-89)
Randy Livingston (1996-97)
Lewis Lloyd (1984-87, 1989-90)
John Lucas (1984-86, 1989-90)
Sam Mack (1995-97, 1998-99)
Matthew P. Maloney (1996-99)
Tony Massenburg (1999-00)
Cedric Maxwell (1986-88)
Vernon Maxwell (1989-95)
Tim McCormick (1988-90)
Rodney McCray (1984-88)
Hank McDowell (1984-86)
Larry Micheaux (1984-85)
Anthony Miller (1998-01)
Dirk Minniefield (1986-87)
Cuttino Mobley (1998-01)
Tracy Moore (1995-97)
Tracy Murray (1994-95)
Chuck Nevitt (1988-90)
Moochie Norris (1999-01)
James R. Petersen (1984-88)
Richard Petruska (1993-94)
Brent Price (1996-98)
Eldridge Recasner (1995-96)
Robert Reid (1984-88)
Rodrick Rhodes (1997-99)
Eric Riley (1993-94)
Stanley Roberts (1998-99)
Larry Robinson (1993-94)
Carlos Rogers (1999-01)
Tree Rollins (1991-93)
Ralph Sampson (1984-88)
Purvis Short (1987-89)
Kenny Smith (1990-96)
Larry Smith (1989-92)
Joe Stephens (1996-98)
Zan Tabak (1994-95)
Maurice Taylor (2000-01)
Terry Teagle (1992-93)
Kenny Thomas (1999-01)
Bernard Thompson (1988-89)
Otis Thorpe (1988-95)
Sedale Threatt (1996-97)
Andre Turner (1987-88)
John Turner (1991-92)
Granville Waiters (1985-86)
Mitc Wiggins (1984-87, 1989-90)
Walt Williams (1999-01)
Kevin Willis (1996-98)
Kennard Winchester (1990-93)
David Wood (1990-92)
Mike Woodson (1988-91)
And that wasn't a prime Drexler.
I never said prime Drexler. I said he was putting up 18-20. c'mon dude read a little.
i can list a ton of players Duncan has endured with over the years. shane heal, jason hart, anthony tolliver, ime udoka. its not that hard to compile a list of ty teammates. Didn't Hakeem also play with Chuck and Pippen?
Obviously they were appraoching TOSB but Chuck was still averaging double doubles, Scottie put up 15-6-6 in his one year there. It's a fact that Dream's decline was much uglier than Timmy's
Like you said, Hakeem's decline was rapid. However, Duncan DID have Parker and Ginobli, arguably two future hall of famers, for most of his career, and had them in their prime. Robinson was also approaching TOSB status though he still put up good numbers as well. Sampson was traded in 88, although Hakeem had Thorpe for much of his prime, that was it. From 88-95, Hakeem had no all stars, except for Thorpe in 92.
What is the significance of this? Weren't you rambling about how we have to stay on topic? How does Duncan possibly being bisexual (not proven and bisexual != gay) have to do with him being the greatest big man of all time?
Why all the filler?
Hakeem had such a bad supporting cast, his third string PG that was cut twice by the Rockets was Avery Johnson, aka the best PG Robinson played with in his prime.
Tim didn't really play alongside a star from 2001-2004. As long as you acknowledge that Hakeem's decline was rapid, the rest is moot, since that was my main point I made earlier. The fact that Tim was a Kawhi free throw away from his 3rd finals MVP at age 37 while Dream was putting up 10-6 at the same age is all I needed to see to deduce that.
Should never be in the same sentence again. Just stick with comparisons to the PF crew and you're all set.
As long as you understand why Hakeem's decline was rapid.
I understand your theory for why Hakeem's decline was more rapid than Tim's
Duncan clearly wasn't, Kareem pretty much had it on lock despite him being murdered by Moses Malone in his prime, and was dismantled by the twin towers during the end of his prime.
However, Duncan is on the same pedestal as Hakeem and Shaq, who are in the 2nd tier greatest of all time group.
Greatest big men of all time:
1st tier
Kareem
2nd tier
Hakeem
Moses
Duncan
Shaq
3rd tier:
Robinson
Walton
Barkley
Karl Malone
McHale
4th tier:
Ewing
Elvin Hayes
McAdoo
Reed
Too far back to accurately rank:
Wilt
Russell
Unseld
Interesting take putting Walton on the 3rd tier when his career was so limited, but he was so damn good when he was on so I've got no problem with that. Maybe Wilt and Russell are too far back to accurately rank, but by all accounts I think they've gotta be 2nd tier at minimum.
^ yet another spur got that thinks Malone>Dirk
^ yet another spur got that thinks Malone>Dirk
^ yeah pulling down 11 rebounds per game in the playoffs ain't big enough
Never really thought of dirk either. Forgot about KG too. I will definitely out them in the third tier.
That said, laker troll acting like a sensitive Mav fan is funny.
Meh, career rebounding avg is closer to Kobe than Duncan so you'll excuse me for not thinking "big man"
big men are typically expected to man the paint and protect the rim
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