Can Kawhi Leonard's Ascension Cover for Aging Manu Ginobili in 2013-14?

[cd021]

Leonard vs Ginobili 2013 Playoffs:


Points - Leonard 284 - 242
Rebounds - Leonard 190 - 78
Turnovers - Leonard 23 - 55
FG Pct - Leonard 54.5 - 39.9
3PT Pct - Leonard 39.0 - 30.2
Steals - Leonard 37 - 24
Fouls - Leonard 40 - 55
Blocks Leonard 11 - 6
Games in Double Figures - Leonard 18 - 11


Basically, Leonard did way more to help and way less to damage by nearly every measure than Manu. Considering the only areas Manu did better (free throws and assists) were not favorable on a cost:benefit analysis the evidence is incontrovertible. Leonard is part of the Big Three. Manu is not.

Who uses totals? I didn't realize this was the 1970's, Of course Leonard has much better numbers because he logged 10 mpg more than Manu.

Manu didn't outperform Kawhi but its much closer than you make it seem...

Manu Ginobili [Per 36 minutes] (Because he came off the bench)
15.6 PPG
6.8 APG
5.0 RPG
39.9% FG
73.8 FT%
30.9 3pt%
5.1 FTA

Kawhi Leonard (36.9 Mpg)

13.5 PPG
8.8 RPG
1 APG
1.1 TOV
54.5 FG%
63.8 FT%
39 3PT%
2.3 FTA

Manu
-Scored at a higher rate, and assisted at a drastically higher clip (+5.6 assists over Kawhi). Shot worse from the field and the 3pt line. Got to the free throw line twice as much and shot 12 percent better helping offset his shooting woes. Manu did also have the highest assist percentage of his career 29.7 %.

Kawhi-Shot better from the floor and from deep in a complementary role with the starting lineup. Rebounding was fantastic but averaged only 1 assist in 36.9 minutes and got to the Free throw line just 2.3 times a game while seeing his percentage free fall nearly 20% from the regular season.

P.E.R isn't a worthless stat. Are you really saying that during Manu's prime he wasn't one of the greatest players in the NBA. Because I can produce plenty more stats that prove otherwise.

And once again your argument is all over the place. Pick an argument and stick with it. I said Manu was elite during a 6 year period, and that Leonard would have a tough time even approaching such production for such a sustained period. Your acting like I said that Manu is better going forward. Actually read a post before starting an argument.

Its funny how you completely ignored the 8 games this post season I mentioned that helped us get in position to win a championship

Explain how the 24 points and 10 assists in game 5 helped Miami or the 18 points and 5 assists hurt us in game 7 when Parker struggled.

Going forward Leonard may be the 3rd option while Ginobili will take a complimentary role.

[Biernutz]

I hope that sitting out this summer will help Manu with the aches and pains of getting old.
He is at that age that Advil or celbrex will only help so much. He has to play smarter
and protect his body. He need to limit that crashing down the lane to a minimum and
save that for the playoffs. Kawhi can cover some of Manu's points production and he now demands
other teams cover him on offense. We need to keep a eye on that knee as to not make it a cronic
problem.

[Skull-1]

At cd021



Well at least Leonard helped his team, not the other team. Moron....


Leonard stepped up. Manu stepped down. As the playoffs progressed, Leonard went up, Manu went down. Eight turnovers. Eight. Eight. Eight. Eight. Eight turnovers in Game Six. Bench that idiot and we win. Eight turnovers. Manu barely escaped having more turnovers than points. Are you stupid or blind?


idiot azz bag.

[Skull-1]

And I might add.... Leonard was consistently good. Manu was sschizophrenic in his awfulness. Manu had two or three good games to offset his suck. Leonard was awesome all the way through. Totals don't even begin to describe the superiority of Leonard over Manu. PER IS GARBAGE. Geez us krist Leonard could dribble at least.

[Skull-1]

If Leonard stays healthy he will blow Manu away.

[Skull-1]

And u didn't list tov. Manu twenty tov per game tbh. Lol

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i love the hate on advanced stats. i think people use advance stats to say espn headline style, sportlitically correct statements. like blair will beast given the chance. and fading manu is too much for rising kawhi to ever compensate for. use your gut! it's not homerism! if anything, it's a leaking, subtle, "knock on wood" fear of that crappy sounding kawhi knee.

manu is old and injury prone, and loves turnovers as much as he ever has. kawhi is a hard working, defensive terrorizing, 3 ball learning, handles having, offensive boarding, aspiring star. the only way kawhi doesn't compensate for manu is that scary knee. no stats necessary.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

the only part i left out of was yeah manu is manu.

[Skull-1]

i love the hate on advanced stats. i think people use advance stats to say espn headline style, sportlitically correct statements. like blair will beast given the chance. and fading manu is too much for rising kawhi to ever compensate for. use your gut! it's not homerism! if anything, it's a leaking, subtle, "knock on wood" fear of that crappy sounding kawhi knee.

manu is old and injury prone, and loves turnovers as much as he ever has. kawhi is a hard working, defensive terrorizing, 3 ball learning, handles having, offensive boarding, aspiring star. the only way kawhi doesn't compensate for manu is that scary knee. no stats necessary.

[ace3g]

Kawhi's ascension can help cover the aging of the entire Big 3, end of story.

[kobexxx]

he can but not quite