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    Wheelchair was better.

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    Pierce tbh. Not only was he a bit better in his prime, even as a tosb his bbIQ keeps him more than relevant.

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    Proud of you admitting you were wrong about Pierce ...but shocked that a man who appears as observant as you appear could not see that without stats. You have Pierce one of the best sf of his era playing on a marquee franchise (plenty of chances to watch) and it takes Jam ting on your own stats to realize that Pierce was a good defender?!
    Now I get why you cling to stats you can't see obvious things that you should not need drating or win shares to validate. You need them. This is not a bash I just understand your perspective a lot better. Cling to those numbers, Amb and you will always be one of my favorite posters ... I get you.
    LOL, good one KK81, so you are now finally admitting that stats tell the story? Pierce shutting down Kobe in the finals, to me, was more about how inefficient an offensive player Kobe is rather than how good a defensive player Pierce was.

    And I always see Pierce as an average defender who excels on the offensive end. Part of it was legacy of those Walker days when I never saw the Celtics as much of a defensive juggernaut, and part of it was me attributing more of the championship Celtics D to Garnett and Rondo.

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    I think if Glide was trapped in a body with the same sorry level of athleticism as current Pierce's he would be no more than a role player on a contender or the leader of a scrub team imho. Pierce can always create chances for himself even with limited athleticism which's impressive. Dude has the best fundamentals of all outfield players in today's NBA imho, a SF/SG version of Tim Duncan

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    LOL, good one KK81, so you are now finally admitting that stats tell the story? Pierce shutting down Kobe in the finals, to me, was more about how inefficient an offensive player Kobe is rather than how good a defensive player Pierce was.

    And I always see Pierce as an average defender who excels on the offensive end. Part of it was legacy of those Walker days when I never saw the Celtics as much of a defensive juggernaut, and part of it was me attributing more of the championship Celtics D to Garnett and Rondo.
    This wasn't about Kobe and I have no malice or ill will ...I finally understand you, Amb and its a beautiful thing.

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    This wasn't about Kobe and I have no malice or ill will ...I finally understand you, Amb and its a beautiful thing.
    Quite a stretch on the conclusion. But it's no surprise given kobestans have a tendency to come up with wrong conclusions based on stats.

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    Quite a stretch on the conclusion. But it's no surprise given kobestans have a tendency to come up with wrong conclusions based on stats.
    No beef, Amb. Just came to an understanding. Funny thing is you the one who misunderstood the stats, not me. That was the point. Reality is stats are often used to validate what bias (we are all biased) we already have. I give you credit for. Admitting you were wrong, but it was after Jam pointed out the mistakes in your application of them. Jam used them the way you should. I'm pretty sure he knew pierce was a good defender, did his research to back up what he saw via observation. My initial concern is valid. I respect how well you write and outside my friendly battles with DPG I enjoy our convos more than any others on here. But after your initial admission you sound like a politician. You throw out a Kobe dig call me a Stan when some of the tiest posters on here could see what you couldn't and bodied you like Kendrick Lamar or Eminem some random local rapper in a Freestyle Friday in a cypher. You were wrong was a big man to admit no need to deflect you one of the best on here just over reliant on stats.
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    No beef, Amb. Just came to an understanding. Funny thing is you the one who misunderstood the stats, not me. That was the point. Reality is stats are often used to validate what bias (we are all biased) we already have. I give you credit for. Admitting you were wrong, but it was after Jam pointed out the mistakes in your application of them. Jam used them the way you should. I'm pretty sure he knew pierce was a good defender, did his research to back up what he saw via observation. My initial concern is valid. I respect how well you write and outside my friendly battles with DPG I enjoy our convos more than any others on here. But after your initial admission you sound like a politician. You throw out a Kobe dig call me a Stan when some of the tiest posters on here could see what you couldn't and bodied you like Kendrick Lamar or Eminem some random local rapper in a Freestyle Friday in a cypher. You were wrong was a big man to admit no need to deflect you one of the best on here just over reliant on stats.
    Stats is an important part off the game and I have used it as such they out. Unsure as to why it is a finding all of a sudden.
    And yes, you have been ignoring stats through out because it doesn't jive with your Kobe>Duncan agenda. We would have reached an agreement a long time ago if either of these were untrue.

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    Don't ignore stats use them if needed to validate. Most of the time its unnecessary because again very few on here will hear a stat and then change their mind. You did and aagain I give you props for it ...I'm just questioning your observation skills ...which again now helps me understand why you cling to stats.
    And tbh just ingwithcha ...it was only 1 mistake even if a obvious one. My only issue with you for someone so beholden to stats your personal biases show to easily ...then you deny it. If you were honest like mid or Harlem it would be different.

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