Shoplifting a $159 Jacket: LIFE IN PRISON

[Biernutz]

Life in prison? What about white collar crimes. They are rarely violent . Bernie Madoff
was sentenced to 150 years for fraud. For a 75 yr old that is a life sentence. He has only
been arrested one time, not three times. So should he get out early because he was
non-violent and only arrested once? His lawyers would get him out quick if there is no
lifetime sentences for non-violent crimes or three strikes laws..........

I personally think he should rot in prison.

[DMC]

Life in prison? What about white collar crimes. They are rarely violent . Bernie Madoff
was sentenced to 150 years for fraud. For a 75 yr old that is a life sentence. He has only
been arrested one time, not three times. So should he get out early because he was
non-violent and only arrested once? His lawyers would get him out quick if there is no
lifetime sentences for non-violent crimes or three strikes laws..........

I personally think he should rot in prison.

I think a life sentence should actually mean a bullet to the head. Otherwise it's a sentence on society to pay for this ass clown for the rest of his life. Some innocents would be killed, but some will be either way.

[ErnestLynch]

Okay. Well you're one the rare ones who has never texted, taken a 'non hands free' call...or looked at a map or driven drunk. I guess you had the blue tooth smart phone as your first phone. Ok.

I commend you.

But...all of that is kind of ..moot isn't it ? And I suspect...a lie but ... you called me a drunk so if you can cell me a liar I suppose I can call you one as well.

So, to make this right, to go back to my original post..my brothers friend ...with a business, two kids, a wife a mortgage..has never hurt anyone...should go....to prison. Is that it ? Is that what you're saying ? I don't give a . He's not my friend but it just seems...kind of bizarre to me.

That doesn't strike you as ..just a little wrong ?

Really ?

[ErnestLynch]

I think a life sentence should actually mean a bullet to the head. Otherwise it's a sentence on society to pay for this ass clown for the rest of his life. Some innocents would be killed, but some will be either way.

You should watch Werner Herzogs 'Into the Abyss'. At the end he interviews a guy who did 120 executions in Texas. A big redneck cowboy that finally quit and said 'It's wrong'. You know what boy, and you are a boy. You talk out of your ass a lot about things you know all about. I'm so tired of people like you. We need to EXECUTE people like you, on the street, for justice. One day, if it continues as it is, you'll get yours. If not here, enjoy .

[ErnestLynch]

They always run off. Ok boy, you run along now with your false beliefs and pride.

Man. I just don't know how this country is going to not turn into something we don't want with people like that in it. Unable to distinguish the nuances of right and wrong. He's a perfect jury candidate.

This is societies problem. Unable to work the gray area, the nuances and subtleties of life. It's all black and white, right/wrong..up/down...left right.

I'm glad I'm close to the end of this ride but I just feel like I let my children down. I'm scared for them.

[ErnestLynch]

Although I do feel pretty good that I talked to Jesus tonight on spurztalk. There's just so many of them it's hard to tell which one is the real thing. So perfect and all....

Of course...you're missing a few attributes. Ok, a LOT of them...but ..no matter.

[DMC]

Okay. Well you're one the rare ones who has never texted, taken a 'non hands free' call...or looked at a map or driven drunk. I guess you had the blue tooth smart phone as your first phone. Ok.

I commend you.

But...all of that is kind of ..moot isn't it ? And I suspect...a lie but ... you called me a drunk so if you can cell me a liar I suppose I can call you one as well.

I said it was moot. Why does it matter what I've done? I'm not condemning anyone for doing it, I'm saying being impaired isn't the same as being distracted. Somehow that seems to get lost with you. You're defending drunk drivers as if it's no one's business until they kill someone.

So, to make this right, to go back to my original post..my brothers friend ...with a business, two kids, a wife a mortgage..has never hurt anyone...should go....to prison. Is that it ? Is that what you're saying ? I don't give a . He's not my friend but it just seems...kind of bizarre to me.

I'm saying he decided the risk was worth it. He knew, more than you or I, what the repercussions were yet he did it anyhow. The same decision could have killed his entire family. Would that be right? No, it would be tragic, but it's still his choice and he made it. You seem to think he was unaware that these convictions don't go away once you're an adult. Whether or not there should be a law against it isn't even the point. There is a law against it and there has been since at least 1976. You and he can pe ion for a change, but you cannot just ignore it and then expect leniency when you're caught.

That doesn't strike you as ..just a little wrong ?

Really ?

It strikes me as wrong that I have to sit at a red stop light in the middle of the night with nary a car in sight either way, but if I run that light and get a ticket, I don't consider that I was wronged. Therein lies the difference between our stances. You preach freedom but ignore the personal responsibility that goes along with it.

[DMC]

Although I do feel pretty good that I talked to Jesus tonight on spurztalk. There's just so many of them it's hard to tell which one is the real thing. So perfect and all....

Of course...you're missing a few attributes. Ok, a LOT of them...but ..no matter.

That's it, throw a tantrum while explaining to the forum just how much of a whiner I am.

[DMC]

They always run off. Ok boy, you run along now with your false beliefs and pride.

Man. I just don't know how this country is going to not turn into something we don't want with people like that in it. Unable to distinguish the nuances of right and wrong. He's a perfect jury candidate.

This is societies problem. Unable to work the gray area, the nuances and subtleties of life. It's all black and white, right/wrong..up/down...left right.

I'm glad I'm close to the end of this ride but I just feel like I let my children down. I'm scared for them.

This country is where it's at because the boomer generation took a huge on everything. Don't blame the weeds for the lack of lawn care.

[ErnestLynch]

haha..no I think our 'moots' meant something else. Your 'moot' is it's moot to what you've done making you a liar. My 'moot' is you in fact ARE a liar so getting the truth out of you is a waste of time.

You, son, are a boy. I don't care how old you are, what you have or haven't done. I know by talkiing to you that you are a boy. A child, mentally. Simple ideas. Equiivocating rationalizing child, unable to see the difference between right and wrong. Like I say, that's cool. You will get yours, either here or the hereafter.

[ErnestLynch]

The boomers did it did they. Well, ok. AS they say, every generation, blames the one before. I wasn't too fond of Vietnam either WHICH brings up a good point. I never blamed Vietnam on my parents I blamed it on my grandparents generationally as they were the age that had the power. People have the most power economically and politically in office and access to political office, in their 50's and 60's. The boomers are just starting the end of their reign. Obama is a late boomer. I admit, he's an asshole. Clinton, Bush, Obama...losers all. I get it.

I'll be back..Dont run off now. I like reading your shallow justifications.

[ElNono]

STFU...I didn't ask you.

No

[ErnestLynch]

Run along. The new phone books are out.

[ElNono]

[boutons_deux]

Here's another one doing some simple math. Of all the people arrested for DWI in 2010, just arrested, since there are multiple more not arrested, as you stated. .007% of the those arrested caused a fatality. Actually it would be slightly less since you can't arrest a dead person. But that amount would be infinitesimal.

.007

So, if it's like you say that a drunk driver has driven, lets say 10 times previously drunk that year. That means.... drunk drivers kill when they get behind the wheel ...

7.428714285714 to the -4exp. In other words.... it's point so many ing zeros that a calculator can't display it decimally.

In other words, if you, or your family get killed by a drunk driver, most consider an act that unlikely to happen, like being struck by lighting and killed, ...7 times...to be an act of god. If you could die 7 times.

Not to mention, that if a completely sober person ran into and killed a drunk driver, statistically that is an alcohol related automobile death. OR, that something else could have been the primary factor....

When you start to melt away the layers, drunk drivers are about as dangerous to the public as ...anything else that causes 10,400 deaths per year. 5% of road fatalities are caused by a drunk driver killing someone other than themselves, which is the vast majority of drunk driving fatalities.

That leaves 520 people a year are killed by a drunk driver that again, is not themselves. 520. And of that 520, some of those are passengers of said drunk driver who often, drunk themselves, willingly got in the car with them.

So, using that 'math thing' again, drunk drivers kill .000001625% of the population each year if you exclude the drunk driver themselves as a death.

.000001625%

The odds are 7 times higher that you will be killed by lightening than by a drunk driver unless that drunk driver is YOU. Then you have a 3.4313 times greater chance of dying than being struck by lightening.

I did another calculation from the CDC website. 48% of those killed were passengers of the drunk driver. Which leaves... lets see 270 people per year are killed in the other car, or as a pedestrian, by a drunk driver.

270 people per year that you could truly call 'innocent victims'. All of this, over 270 people per year.

So, you're odds are about double the 7 times I stated of being killed by lightening as being killed by a drunk driver. 14 times.

AND even with that I was unable to find how many of those were part of that group that the sober person killed the drunk driver in the accident. Remember, it doesn't necessarily have to be the 'drunk drivers' fault to make the statistic of drunk driver 'related' deaths. So it's probably lower than THAT.

Them's the facts using a calculator and the stats from the Centers for Disease Control. Sorry man.

DUI laws are based on myth by tea toting bible thumpers that would bring back prohibition if they could.

The politicians go along with it because it's an income racket for the states and communities. Get a clue.

Hey, watch out...next thing I'll show you how the big 'sex offender' scare is a huge myth as well and how they've used laws against these people to take away YOUR rights without you even being aware of it. You think you have protection from ex post facto, article 1 section 9...well THINK AGAIN...our illustrious Chief Justice Roberts, in his final arguments before the SC before being appointed to the court, made sure that no longer exists.

Like people aren't aware that their 4th amendment rights to illegal search and seizure, have been suspended in the Patriot Act if you live within 100 miles of an international border or the coast, which is most of the population of the US.

God all mighty...wake up people. They're using scare tactics, and lies, with nothing behind it, to make you give up your rights. I've never seen anything like it.

zero tolerance
mandatory sentencing
prisons for profit
'registering' people
dwi 'roadblocks/checkpoints'

Good god...I'm an old fart I guess but I was naive enough to think I'd never see this day...and I was wrong. But I never thought the 'public' would be so...ilinformed and uneducated.

And it's worse than this...there's more. A lot more. Being a free people, in a republic, requires an educated aware public and I just don't think we have that any more. You have to read between the lines, people. Work a calculator, figure the %'s and you see just what a scam much of this stuff is.

Were you nasty drunk when wrote that? You certainly seem to be thinking impaired.

iow, it and you are totally full of bull .

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YESTERDAY

• In the mid 1970s, alcohol was a factor in over 60% of traffic fatalities. Traffic crashes were the leading cause of alcohol-related deaths and two-thirds of traffic deaths among persons aged 16 to 20 involved alcohol.
• At that time, preventive measures consisted primarily of efforts to reduce harm from alcohol by identifying and treating middle-aged individuals convicted of driving under the influence with established or advanced cases of alcoholism.

TODAY

• Since the early 1980s, alcohol-related traffic deaths per population have been cut in half with the greatest proportional declines among persons 16-20 years old.
• Reductions in driving after drinking saved more than 150,000 lives between 1982 and 2001 — more than the combined total saved by increases in seat belt use, airbags, and motorcycle and bicycle helmets.
• Today alcohol is involved in 37% of all traffic deaths among persons aged 16 to 20.

In the 1980s, several states established laws for zero alcohol tolerance for drivers under the age of 21. Research funded by NIH established the effectiveness of this approach which led to the passage of Zero Tolerance Laws in all 50 States by the late 1990s.

The number of alcohol-related traffic deaths among 16 to 20 year-olds in the U.S. decreased from 5,244 in 1982 to 1,987 in 2008 in large measure because of the legal drinking age of 21 and Zero Tolerance Laws.

Several NIH-supported studies demonstrated that comprehensive, community-based intervention programs can further reduce traffic deaths and other alcohol-related harm beyond that achieved through age 21 drinking laws.

http://report.nih.gov/nihfactsheets/...t.aspx?csid=24

Feds should lower the limit to 0.05 and mandatory 6-month license/driving suspension for first offense.

btw, driving while needing sleep is much more risky than driving drunk, but beyond the reach of regulation.

[Th'Pusher]

Earnest Lynch is clearly an alcoholic who's beer convicted of multiple dwi violations.

[DMC]

I get the argument about the BAC, but I don't get the argument about drunk driving. You don't accidentally drive drunk.

[Wild Cobra]

I 've never texted while driving. Heck, don't even have a texting plan on my phone.

LOL...

Same here, almost.

I will rarely used text. I tell people to call, or it must not be important.

I look at all these people always using their phones, and I'm thinking... Is this their life? How sad.

[Wild Cobra]

STFU...I didn't ask you.

LOL...

I have my spats with who I sometimes call ElNoKnow, but really... That seems uncalled for. I hate to admit, I agree with DMC... You are trowing a tantrum!

[ErnestLynch]

Earnest Lynch is clearly an alcoholic who's beer convicted of multiple dwi violations.

I've never beer convicted of anything. Or ever beer indicted. I have beer to Germany once though.