Beno is not untradeable but I believe you only move him if you can get a clear improvement. In my mind, that's an Earl Watson (and we know that's not likely to happen).
If the Spurs have soured on Beno, I'd like to know why. Other than maintaining control of the rock under pressure he's great. Yes, that is a major concern for a point, but it's something I believe he can improve. He's under an inexpensive rookie contract as well. I wonder what the concern might be.
Beno has trouble brining the ball up against pressure and unless he gets a long outlet pass, which teams took away after they saw his game forcing him to bring the ball up, he's relatively slow getting the Spurs into their offense. Also after some initial success teams completely took away his penetration in the half court.
And Parker doesn't? especially when facing Billups...
beno just a rookie and he was playing against detroit----one of the most defend-minded team in the league.
give him more chances.
Absolutey none. Probably no body in the league does a better job of bringing the ball up court, beating any kind of press.
I just hope they don't force a trade. Beno is not exciting or flashy, but definitely a solid backup. If Tony got hurt, would I be comfortable with Beno as the starter? No, but he will improve with time, and is a good fit with the team. My personal favorite trade scenario was Jameer Nelson, as he may be happy in a backup role. As a side note, I hope the team picks up Darren Brooks as the third point guard.
At times thats about all he does. TP can dominate a game and then just disappear from another especially in the playoffs. Same thing happened last year against the Lakers. Did it again against Detroit. Not to mention that he was a defensive liability.
What you say is true but you have to consider that being the PG, he has to defer to Duncan and Manu. That's why he disapear sometimes from the games.
Inconsistency is his major problem, but we all hope here that he will resolve it within the next few years and become one of the elite PG in the league.
He has really improved in defense and he can't be considered anymore as a liability. His defense is really good now but he can't compete with Bowen or Manu yet. In the last playoffs, I thought that he did a good job against Miller after the first game and Ridnour. But his greatest achievement was against Nash.
Nash was playing increadibily well against Dallas and for the first two games in Phoenix but Tony tired him and Steve wasn't as effective in the fourth of both games and that's a big reason why San Antonio won both of these games.
Personally I like Beno's upside a big point guard who may give Tonya run for his starting position in a couple of years. Beno is a better passer than Tony and with his size will be able to guard bigger point guards such as Chauncey Billups. He was a rookie last year so let's give him a break and let him gain some experience over the next few years.
The Spurs already have there backup point guard for next year in Brent Barry. Brent was Seattle's starting point guard when he played for them and Pop played him at point against Detroit after Beno's meltdown.
The Spurs need to find a serviceable small forward for Bruce to groom as his replacement. I wouldn't be surprised if Bruce ends up being on our coaching staff after his playing career is over. Linton Johnson's problem last year was his tentativeness when he came back from injury. Linton was going to be Bruce's replacement but he played to tentative for our coaching staff.
Just my two cents.
Beno Udrih for a case of Union Pivo.
I just love this. Does no one remember 2003-2004? Let me remind you. Charlie Ward, Anthony Carter, Shane Heal, Alex Garcia, Jason Hart. None of those guys is as good as Beno, and their collective incompetence probably kept us from celebrating a 3 peat this year. Beno isn't going to be an All Star, but then again, we don't need him to be. He needs to be able to run the offense for 12-15 minutes per game, and knock down jumpers, and he can do both of those things. Beno wasn't the only one getting the ball swiped by Hunter. They actually had a strategy in place where Tony would be the only one to bring the ball up against him. If Manu and Brent were in the game, whoever was NOT being guarded by Hunter brought the ball up. Beno showed me a of a lot for a rookie.
it wasn't just in the finals that he was ing up.. try the whole second half of the season...
Whatever. He played 14 minutes per game, shot 44% from the field, 41% from downtown, and his asst/TO ratio was 2/1. Good enough in my book for a second stringer on the Spurs, and not bad for a rookie. As for late in the season, it's called the rookie wall, and many players hit it. If he works on his conditioning, he should be more than adequate to the job. Remember the year before...
Yes. I think his conditioning was a big part of it. He looked in worse shape in the middle of the season than he was in training camp. I hope they keep Beno. But if the right deal came along for someone good and they needed to include him in a package, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.If he works on his conditioning, he should be more than adequate to the job.
w/o beno the spurs would've still won the le this year.. no doubt about it... he didn't bring a whole lot late in the season, nor anything in the playoffs except some crucial turnovers...
I don't disagree with this. What I disagree with is the Beno for a bag of chips crowd.I hope they keep Beno. But if the right deal came along for someone good and they needed to include him in a package, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
Spurs don't win game 3 vs Denver without his great game.w/o beno the spurs would've still won the le this year.. no doubt about it... he didn't bring a whole lot late in the season, nor anything in the playoffs except some crucial turnovers
Moron.
Why is Beno suddenly exempt from the rookie wall? It certainly had an effect.I think his conditioning was a big part of it. He looked in worse shape in the middle of the season than he was in training camp.
People blame him for the Game 1 loss against Denver for his goof at the end of the half. It was his over-reliance on the behind-the back move to clear halfcourt, and the Nuggets freely admitted they studied him closely and expected it. He's smart enough and has a smart enough coaching staff to find other, quicker, more reliable ways of getting himself free. He didn't lose the game, anyway; it was lackluster game all around for the team.
Beno is, as others have said, easily the best backup we've had since Speedy, and I personally have little doubt he'll be better with some more seasoning. Next year I expect him to make people very happy.
He's not. Of course that had an effect. But reports were that he got more out of shape as the season progressed and was really struggling, so his trainer from Slovenia was flown in to get him back on track.Why is Beno suddenly exempt from the rookie wall? It certainly had an effect.
I think he's better than Speedy. Speedy had a couple good playoff games and Spurs fans anointed him. I like Beno better because he has a better long-range shot and sees the floor very well. I think he'll be a great backup in a couple years. I'm just saying if an awesome deal came along and he had to be thrown in to make it work, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I don't think the Spurs should be (or are) actively shopping him though.Beno is, as others have said, easily the best backup we've had since Speedy, and I personally have little doubt he'll be better with some more seasoning. Next year I expect him to make people very happy.
If true, then credit him slightly with the Game 3 win, Like I said.People blame him for the Game 1 loss against Denver
That's true. I liked Speedy, but he only played 30 games that year, while Beno played 80 this past season. Speedy's biggest knock, and the reason I was shocked that he got that contract, has been his injury history. In four full seasons, he's only played 219 games. That's an average of a hair under 55 games played per year.
I wasn't aware of that. Good to know. I hope his committment to basketball wasn't waning and it was, instead, something like a first fascination with American fast food or something.He's not. Of course that had an effect. But reports were that he got more out of shape as the season progressed and was really struggling, so his trainer from Slovenia was flown in to get him back on track.
It's even worse when you consider that he missed his entire rookie season with an injury. So it's really 219 games in five seasons.
That's true, LJ. I had forgotten about that lost season. OK, Speedy is then a 44 games per year player.
In addition to the fabled 'rookie wall' I wonder how much of his deterioration in conditioning was caused by the fact that he was getting much fewer minutes than he was used to as a starter in the foreign league. Going from a full time player to one that gets sporadic minutes has got to play with your conditioning. Practice is simply not like games.
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