Lakers: Lakers Getting Ready To Rape The Knicks: Gasol For Tyson and Shumpert

[AchillesHeel]

My sources tell me that the Lakers are absolutely willing to take on JR Smith's contract to make this deal happen. Mike D'Antoni likes Smith's aggressive "score first" style while Fredo and Mitch believe he can actually help them improve their cap situation in a role as Kirby's chauffeur.

[spurraider21]

You were throwing out crazy numbers maxing the cap out playing arm chair GM?

crazy numbers like Kobe's, Chandler's, Smith's salaries for the 2014 season?

and no. armchair gm is a guy saying "wow instead of signing x, they should have signed y, and traded a and b for c."
in fact, thats what the laker fans in this thread are doing. i was merely pointing out that the moves proposed by you armchair gm's made no sense when it comes to the nba's salary cap rules, such as Kool's dreams of having kobe, chandler, and melo

[spurraider21]

damn this guys mad...

somebody saying got on the internet makes them mad?

lol

[Killakobe81]

you're a got dam turn coat bas ....would you trade Magic after 5 rings for MJ....you got a lot to learn about life

Man, look. We traded shaq. Sure, I was behind that if it needed to be done ... but how is that much different? If O'neal could be traded two seasons after the 3 peat so could Kobe. Sure, we traded for Kobe on draft night, he has been here longer we have seen him grow, fail and overcome. he is my current favorite player ...still. But if someone is offering Durant/Lebron (pipe-dream) YOU GD, right I make that trade because 17 means more to me than 6 or Kobe's 5.

I support Kobe think he deserves his money though i wish he took $15 or even $20 million, he looked for his best interest and I look out for the best of the franchise. As child of course I would not of wanted my child-hero traded. As a man I dont want kobe traded either but you sometimes have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Even Kobe is not above the greater good of the Lakers, I am sorry.

But back on point there is no magic fix. I appreciate Melo more than most, who diwsmiss him as a chucker. If that is the path the Lakers choose I will not agree fully (much like Howard) but I understand they are going all in future be damned. I get it.

But how am I turn-coat when Kobe explored free-agency?
For just saying hypothetically I would trade Kobe for Lebron?

I bleed purple and gold. I admire Kobe's game. But agin he aint bigger than the Lakers. I and the franchise will still be here after he is gone ...

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Man, look. We traded shaq. Sure, I was behind that if it needed to be done ... but how is that much different? If O'neal could be traded two seasons after the 3 peat so could Kobe. Sure, we traded for Kobe on draft night, he has been here longer we have seen him grow, fail and overcome. he is my current favorite player ...still. But if someone is offering Durant/Lebron (pipe-dream) YOU GD, right I make that trade because 17 means more to me than 6 or Kobe's 5.

I support Kobe think he deserves his money though i wish he took $15 or even $20 million, he looked for his best interest and I look out for the best of the franchise. As child of course I would not of wanted my child-hero traded. As a man I dont want kobe traded either but you sometimes have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Even Kobe is not above the greater good of the Lakers, I am sorry.

But back on point there is no magic fix. I appreciate Melo more than most, who diwsmiss him as a chucker. If that is the path the Lakers choose I will not agree fully (much like Howard) but I understand they are going all in future be damned. I get it.

But how am I turn-coat when Kobe explored free-agency?
For just saying hypothetically I would trade Kobe for Lebron?

I bleed purple and gold. I admire Kobe's game. But agin he aint bigger than the Lakers. I and the franchise will still be here after he is gone ...

The last time he played (2 games ago) he was a 25-5-5 guy. You already cut his pay 20%---based on what?

[Koolaid_Man]

Man, look. We traded shaq. Sure, I was behind that if it needed to be done ... but how is that much different? If O'neal could be traded two seasons after the 3 peat so could Kobe. - Shaq cursed Dr, Buss out to his face on the court..he sealed his fate..pretty big difference to Kobe's situation... Sure, we traded for Kobe on draft night, he has been here longer we have seen him grow, fail and overcome. he is my current favorite player ...still. But if someone is offering Durant/Lebron (pipe-dream) YOU GD, right I make that trade because 17 means more to me than 6 or Kobe's 5.

Kobe - 5

Durant / Lebron - 2

But I will concede the point on your PIPE DREAM


I support Kobe think he deserves his money though i wish he took $15 or even $20 million, he looked for his best interest - no he accepted what they offered. and I look out for the best of the franchise. again he accepted what the franchise offered there was no negotiation. They came to him and he's not obliged to say give me 10 million less...that's not ratinale. As child of course I would not of wanted my child-hero traded. As a man I dont want kobe traded either but you sometimes have to make sacrifices for the greater good.

Even Kobe is not above the greater good of the Lakers, I am sorry. - While I agree I've also done the math according to Jerry Buss (before he passed) Kobe alone has generated 80 mill/yr in revenue alone for the past 12 yrs. that's close to 1 billion $$$ by a single player

But back on point there is no magic fix. I appreciate Melo more than most, who diwsmiss him as a chucker. If that is the path the Lakers choose I will not agree fully (much like Howard) but I understand they are going all in future be damned. I get it.

But how am I turn-coat when Kobe explored free-agency? - Kobe didn't explore ...he made Buss get off his ass and act like somebody..he wasn't going anywhere....
For just saying hypothetically I would trade Kobe for Lebron?

I bleed purple and gold. I admire Kobe's game. But agin he aint bigger than the Lakers. I hate to be cynical and I understand the sentiment...but right now he is...A billion people in China would back me on this I and the franchise will still be here after he is gone ...

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When Kool gets like this it's a thing of beauty. He's a man then, not some school yard teaser.

[DPG21920]

Kool is an idiot who not only doesn't understand the CBA but basketball in general. It's why he lost a bet of basketball knowledge against me.

[DPG21920]

The last time he played (2 games ago) he was a 25-5-5 guy. You already cut his pay 20%---based on what?

What kind of re ed argument is that? How about they cut his pay because they spent tons of money stacking the deck in his favor only to get bounced in the first round & have a losing
Record this year.

What kind of idiot cites one game to justify something?

[DPG21920]

Killa is right here. He's the only one on solid ground.

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What kind of re ed argument is that? How about they cut his pay because they spent tons of money stacking the deck in his favor only to get bounced in the first round & have a losing
Record this year.

What kind of idiot cites one game to justify something?

I'm not talking about 2 games ago this season you stoop. I'm talking about the 2 games he missed last season at the end. He was at 25/5/5, misses 2 games and he gets a 20% pay cut. Based on what?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

the MLE you referred to (which is around 5-6 million dollars, it usually equates to average nba salary), is available for teams that are over the salary cap, but below the luxury tax apron. this allows teams that are over the cap to have some sense of flexibility to improve their roster. however, the lakers are going to be under the cap at seasons end, and so they won't have access to the MLE. for teams that are not only above the cap but also above the luxury tax apron, they get access to the mini MLE (how the Heat signed Ray Allen to his contract, how the Lakers signed Kaman this past summer).

but a team that starts out below the cap does not get access to the MLE

I don't think the Lakers would even get the full 5mil MLE. I believe the Cap rules are that if a team is over the Luxury tax threshold for consecutive years, the year they fall under the Luxury tax threhold, they still are penalize with the 3 mil MLE plus they are excluded from the Bi annual exception.

Plus there are huge trade ramifications for being over the Tax Level for consecutive years. There was a reason Cuban shed all that salary a few years back. It wasn't all about just signing Howard or D Will.

[DPG21920]

I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

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I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

Please. You thought I was talking about this season. You're like DUNCAN,,,you're never wrong.

[Koolaid_Man]

I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

[Koolaid_Man]

When Kool gets like this it's a thing of beauty. He's a man then, not some school yard teaser.

why thank you sir....that type of sentiment when it evokes the jealousy and rage others makes me feel good...

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there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

Poor Deeps. Not a red cent!

[DPG21920]

Please. You thought I was talking about this season. You're like DUNCAN,,,you're never wrong.

Now you're just sour grapes. I did think you were referencing the literal last game but that has no bearing on the "what" in the equation. You already know that though, so now you try to focus the issue on the inconsequential DPG was wrong portion knowing full well your point was upended.

Ipso-facto sour grapes.

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I did think you were referencing the literal last game .

Your capitulation is duly noted.

[DPG21920]

there's only one dam fool here and it's the short dude left standing on a street corner holding an empty bag with $500 hand written on the front

Don't get me started with you, Capri. The fact is, despite not making out with the cash, you tested your basketball IQ versus mine & lost for the world to see. That effectively ended any shot you had at being regarded as a knowledgeable poster. Then the never ending storm ensued. The hate, mockery & embarrassment that came your way due to the bet was palpable. Knowing how much you need this site in hindsight you would have paid to avoid what transpired. However, you saw the damage was done and even paying up wouldn't change what I've relegated you to. So now you kept the money.

Having seen that, and being driven crazy by that FACT, you went the only route you could. Troll. You aren't any good at it though & I effectively ended that as well with the continued fanning of the flame (see: Caprisun).

I've had you dead to rights from the beginning but with your low IQ you are just now realizing it.

[Koolaid_Man]

Don't get me started with you, Capri. The fact is, despite not making out with the cash, you tested your basketball IQ versus mine & lost for the world to see. That effectively ended any shot you had at being regarded as a knowledgeable poster. Then the never ending storm ensued. The hate, mockery & embarrassment that came your way due to the bet was palpable. Knowing how much you need this site in hindsight you would have paid to avoid what transpired. However, you saw the damage was done and even paying up wouldn't change what I've relegated you to. So now you kept the money.

Having seen that, and being driven crazy by that FACT, you went the only route you could. Troll. You aren't any good at it though & I effectively ended that as well with the continued fanning of the flame (see: Caprisun).

I've had you dead to rights from the beginning but with your low IQ you are just now realizing it.

that's a whole lot of hot air .....if it makes you feel good shawty....believe it

[DPG21920]

*drops mic*

[Killakobe81]

I already told you what. They spent more money than anyone to stack the Kobe deck & he led them to barely making the playoffs. He then ushered in the most pathetic & embarrassing era in Laker history. He deserved more of a pay cut when it came to basketball reasons.

Lol pay cut. He's still the highest paid guy in the league you damn fool. On the heels of completely destroying the franchise reign of power & allure.

Nah, can't go that far with you DPG ... Kobe blew his achilles trying to will us in. With howard, Pau and Nash crying injury Kobe gave all year until his Achilles blew. i can fault him some for our regular season struggles but Cant fault him for wanting his compensation ...I hoped he would take less. But nothing about his play speaks to why he would not expect top shelf compensation. Lakers paid it .. and even if it was partially out of loyalt,y his play was elite , just not prime. Meaning he should not make more than Lebron ... but outside of a select few he deserves top dog status.

OTH, I also dont buy they just gave him that contract, I am pretty sure his agent had hinted to it, in fact even KOBE hinted he would not take a dramatic cut ...so why would they hardball him? They gave him a fair deal based on his years of service and the hopes he had a quite a bit left.

I just dont get chasing that money with additional bad money. If the Kobe deal makes sense, throwing money at Melo or someone else and hoping we can pull another Pau deal ... is probably wishful thinking. Kobe is not in his prime anymore and who could Kobe carry and help carry him to a le if their first name is not Lebron or last name Durant?

[ambchang]

you're a got dam turn coat bas ....would you trade Magic after 5 rings for MJ....you got a lot to learn about life

But you would trade Worthy for Jordan.

[LkrFan]

TC played only 4 games so far. You cannot use the Knicks points allowed to show his efficiency.

I'm fully aware of the amount of games TC has played in this year. I brought the Knicks up to setup a point. Houston is giving up 102.2ppg this year. Last year my Lakers gave up 101ppg. Common denominator? Howard. Last year TC played in 66 games and the Knicks gave up only 95.7ppg. The Knicks would give up <97.7ppg if TC played more: no doubt in my mind.

So as I was saying, if healthy (again, a big if), TC is easily the best anchor we've had since Shaq, and he would be a major upgrade over MVPau defensively. Should he prove he can last 1.5+ years he'd be well worth it IMO.