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    I bet if he gets traded to a team like Milwaukee he will start putting up big numbers (18+ppg 7.0+rpg 3.0+apg 2.0spg ) and ya'll will miss him. The truth is, we should appreciate him, you never know what you got until its gone and that's the truth. #Appreciate
    Exactly this. He's capable of putting up the big numbers Spur fans want to see, but is simply not utilized in a way that allows him to do it. But that's always been the case with young players on the Spurs, and it does have its benefits. He'll be a lot smarter because of it.

    I sincerely hope he remains a Spur, because what the are we going to do without him? We have no other small forwards.

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    I'm waiting for Playkawhi user to pop out soon, tbh.

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    Kawhi is:

    1) Passive.

    2) Not athletic. (Can't jump)

    3) Not a good shooter.

    4) Shy.

    5) Poor ball handler. (Out of control when the ball is in his hands)

    Please God don't tell me were gunna pay this guy this summer. His long arms get us a few steals and rebounds more a game, but otherwise, he's just not worth it. The FO needs to make it clear that we'd like to keep him on as a role player--paying between 3-5 million a year, but otherwise, he can go elsewhere.

    My guess is Kawhi won't be a Spur next year.
    My guess is tha you have no idea how the Spurs operate.

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    Bottom line is he has not developed anything this year, but should we be surprised? Hard for a young player to develop on old vet minutes. Throughout the years there has not been many young players that improve all that well without PT.

    He needs to be challenged he is like that young student at school that is just coasting and getting held back because he is not motivated by something that challenges him. He could get A's instead of B's, or he could fail the challenge but at least it's something he would be motivated to try and overcome.
    Last edited by Chomag; 12-30-2013 at 05:21 PM.

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    Leonard has all star potential, he'll just never reach it in this system with guys like Parker hogging the ball and his coach turning him into a spot up shooter. I hope he leaves the Spurs, he's too good to deal with this BS.

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    highest rebounds per game for his career.
    And? He's gotten better in one area but regressed in another. If you're satisfied with where he is, fine but I want more from him than a rearranged version of the same.

    If his three has left him, make it up elsewhere. Really though it needs to come back.

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    This. The cog we have been missing since Bruce left.
    Word.........

    Timmy + Manu + Tony + Bruce = Big Four..........

    Big Four = 3 les.......

    Big Three = FAIL.

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    Word.........

    Timmy + Manu + Tony + Bruce = Big Four..........

    Big Four = 3 les.......

    Big Three = FAIL.
    For once we agree. Actually twice now.

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    Why is a 22-23 year old playing only 28 minutes? He needs time on the court - he's not Duncan's age. Manu should be playing 20 minutes - give his extra 4 minutes to KL and sit Manu on all back-to-backs.

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    Pfffft, why even mention Manu? He can score 25 against all the scrub teams he wants but he destroyed his legacy in June of last year. I don't give a what he does from here on out, the only thing that can save him is to get back to the finals and not commit 30 turnovers or shoot 25%. Patty doesn't count because he was 3rd string and is only as good now as he was in Portland now that he gets minutes. Boris...yeah I guess I'll give you that.

    Truth nuke from . Can't believe I missed this!

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    Three things ive notice about kawhi After watching the game of Spurs vs Kings @ AT&T:
    -hard for him to drive through traffic... He try to use his strength instead of his agility.. He needs to learn alot from manu or parker in this area.
    -no plays was set for him to drive through the basket or post up (only one but failed). He only spot up on the corner and grab rebound and run for fastbreak.
    -I am not sure if Pop wanted him to focus on defense. Among all players he is the only one i saw who pop always instructed on the sideline how to defend.

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    If he was going to be a future superstar, he wouldn't keep fading back into the wallpaper after 3 yeas. Six points agains the hapless Nets and one fg was a gimme where he dropped off his man and ran for the basket where he got a long pass from Tiago. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not showing much offense.

    If he was going to be a part of a new Big 3 or Big 4, He'd demand the ball and have the proven consecutive game stats for his teammates to give it to him. From the first year, Timmy was able to take over games and David was willing to let him. Kwahi is going to be a very nice role player.

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    And? He's gotten better in one area but regressed in another. If you're satisfied with where he is, fine but I want more from him than a rearranged version of the same.

    If his three has left him, make it up elsewhere. Really though it needs to come back.
    His FG% has gone way up...

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    If he was going to be a future superstar, he wouldn't keep fading back into the wallpaper after 3 yeas. Six points agains the hapless Nets and one fg was a gimme where he dropped off his man and ran for the basket where he got a long pass from Tiago. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not showing much offense.

    If he was going to be a part of a new Big 3 or Big 4, He'd demand the ball and have the proven consecutive game stats for his teammates to give it to him. From the first year, Timmy was able to take over games and David was willing to let him. Kwahi is going to be a very nice role player.
    If you want to see what a real potential superstar looks like look at a 18yrs old Antetonkounmpo tbh, picked at 15 like Kiwi except he has a Durant like body, Boris Diaw like passing, a better 3 point shot... Kiwi is a great kid but he is not gonna dominate ever especially without a 3pt shot, he's a 3rd banana at best...

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    6 pts against Brooklyn. He's picking it up now

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    If he was going to be a future superstar, he wouldn't keep fading back into the wallpaper after 3 yeas. Six points agains the hapless Nets and one fg was a gimme where he dropped off his man and ran for the basket where he got a long pass from Tiago. Nothing wrong with that, but he's not showing much offense.

    If he was going to be a part of a new Big 3 or Big 4, He'd demand the ball and have the proven consecutive game stats for his teammates to give it to him. From the first year, Timmy was able to take over games and David was willing to let him. Kwahi is going to be a very nice role player.
    He always shows up in big games, always, you act like you didn't watch the playoffs last year. He's not a spot up shooter and that's the bottom line, most all stars aren't, Pop is treating him like Bruce Bowen. He gets 0 plays called for him, 0 screens, inadequate spacing for him to drive, etc. he's pretty much set up for failure because that's not his game.

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    Its been said, but if you aren't getting touches, the guy guarding you isn't working on defense so you have to work harder on defense to guard him. It's basketball 101.

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    Even if Leonard's 3-point shot returns to form, the problem will remain that he's just a spot-up shooter in this system, tbh..
    It's been posted on Spurstalk that the Spurs are on pace to shoot an all tie low amount of FT's. It's pretty sad to think about. Especially when the Spurs have Leonard, he obviously plays better slashing to the hoop and posting up smaller guys. He has the length and hops. Yet for some reason Pop wants him to shoot 3's??? We can't shoot 3's if no one is collapsing the paint. I don't know WTF is going on. I really don't. I don't know what our coaching staff is thinking either. It seems like everyone on the team has regressed in shooting 3's. Why? Obviously because our opponents don't have to commit to stopping any dribble penetration/post play. I don't know what else to say. It seems like we have a fairly easy fix/capable player and solution but Pop isn't exploring it/going to it....
    I've said it a hundred times....Pop does not know what to do with athletic small forwards. Never has. He has a system, and the system requires that position to be a spot up shooter, so that's what he makes them, regardless of their talent.

    This is why he never goes after athletic FAs / draft picks. He always tries to sign semi/grounded players.

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    I've said it a hundred times....Pop does not know what to do with athletic small forwards. Never has. He has a system, and the system requires that position to be a spot up shooter, so that's what he makes them, regardless of their talent.

    This is why he never goes after athletic FAs / draft picks. He always tries to sign semi/grounded players.

    You've been wrong, then. Pops system doesn't even have a SF. He has a lead guard, two wings, and two posts. The wings and posts are interchangeable on any given play. I remember that Christmas game that Money Mase won. Manu was supposed to be that wing, but switched off at the last second before the inbounds, sensing a possible better match with the defender guarding the play's other wing position.

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    Kawhi will be Kawhi come April. I just worry about him staying healthy....that's it.

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    You've been wrong, then. Pops system doesn't even have a SF. He has a lead guard, two wings, and two posts. The wings and posts are interchangeable on any given play. I remember that Christmas game that Money Mase won. Manu was supposed to be that wing, but switched off at the last second before the inbounds, sensing a possible better match with the defender guarding the play's other wing position.
    You're right, i said small forward, but its interchangeable with wings, and bigs for that matter. The point is the same. He doesn't no what to do with athletic players. , the most athletic player, which is not saying much, over the last 10 years, Manu, drives Pop crazy. Why? Because he goes outside the system to make plays. Pop wants everything played inside a box, and athletic players step outside that box to make plays.

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    You're right, i said small forward, but its interchangeable with wings, and bigs for that matter. The point is the same. He doesn't no what to do with athletic players. , the most athletic player, which is not saying much, over the last 10 years, Manu, drives Pop crazy. Why? Because he goes outside the system to make plays. Pop wants everything played inside a box, and athletic players step outside that box to make plays.
    Pop accepted Manu a LONG time ago for exactly what he is: a wildcard. For every bonehead play he makes, he'll nutmeg someone on a pick and roll and throw several perfect half court bounce passes in transition. The way Pop sees it is that if he doesn't know what Manu is doing, the other team can't have a clue, either.

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    Even if Leonard's 3-point shot returns to form, the problem will remain that he's just a spot-up shooter in this system, tbh..
    Except for the post ups and pnr he does. You are like a meme machine though.

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    Except for the post ups and pnr he does. You are like a meme machine though.
    Post ups and PNR? LMAO

    happens only when they need it ( against good teams) and rarely called...The spurs still rely on their system to beat bad to mediocre teams where kawhi is ignored all the time..

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    You've been wrong, then. Pops system doesn't even have a SF. He has a lead guard, two wings, and two posts. The wings and posts are interchangeable on any given play. I remember that Christmas game that Money Mase won. Manu was supposed to be that wing, but switched off at the last second before the inbounds, sensing a possible better match with the defender guarding the play's other wing position.
    Pop has a 2 and a 3 in his system they do not play the same exact roles. It should be obvious from how they handle rebounding, rotations, transition and the like. The 4 and the 5 both can go into the high and low post but they don't do the exact same things.

    There is a reason why Kawhi finds himself down by the baseline and green out at the arc. There is a reason why Splitter camps at the baseline just outside of the paint.

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