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Something is not worthy of conversation unless it is factually based.
Someone who is accepting the fact, uses a non-factual determination.
Critical thinking time.
The war on drugs is not working
Is this graph meaningful concerning the "war on drugs"? Why or why not?
Something is not worthy of conversation unless it is factually based.
Someone who is accepting the fact, uses a non-factual determination.
From you own graph,
( poverty rate w/o govt 22% ) minus ( poverty rate w/govt 16% ) = 6% x 310 = 18.6 M people MORE in poverty now if no govt assistance.
I am not entirely sure what you are getting at here. You will have to elaborate a bit, as you are more than a bit unclear here.
That is the short of it. Personally, I think the raw number if you ceased all of the hated war on poverty initiatives, would be a bit less due to outright mortality from disease, injury, and starvation. Those kinds of things tend to be glossed over in conservative discussions of policy in this matter. Few are as honest as vy.
Not quite the "in your own words" I was hoping for, but I think we can agree on this much. I can accept these programs, collectively, as "the war on poverty". Fairly common sense.
Now we have qualified what we are talking about and have something we can analyze a bit more rationally.
Define "failed", i.e. what was the intended purpose of these initiatives, in your mind?
The answer to this question is: When you can reasonably prove that is happening.
I can think of about two or three fatal flaws in that statement that you will not only be unable to prove, but in any rational analysis, are counter factual by any reasonable measure.
Again, I assert that statements like this are, as noted, irrational argle-bargle.
The only thing I have to do is simply to dissect it patiently, rationally, and fairly. I can take it a step further and ask for policy alternatives. That is always a hoot.
You are a reasonably smart guy, and fair by most measures (above polemic aside). I think we can get to some to form of consensus if we try. I am more than willing to cut out things that don't work in our government.
What's more, we can directly attribute this to programs created or expanded during the war on poverty. In 2012, food stamps (since renamed Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP) alone kept 4 million people out of povertySo giving people food stamps somehow magically lifts them out of poverty? Give me a break.
The intended purpose, and the one, no doubt, sold to the American People was that these policies would reduce the poverty level; lift people out of poverty.
What I would hope any policy would do is not make being born into poverty an lifelong sentence, which it currently is for more and more Americans.
Since the policies we have agreed (I agree, btw), have been implemented, the poverty rate has lowered marginally. What has risen dramatically, however, is the illegitimacy rate. What has also risen dramatically is the prison population (which is fed disproportionately from the lowest classes of society.
The child most likely to live a life of poverty today is one born in poverty to a single mother. We have more of those every single year. We send them to crappy schools, don't put any decent role models around them...we are stewing a cycle of poverty that shows no sign of slowing. We now have generations of Americans living under roofs that are ALL receiving government assistance, and none have jobs. Forget about what that is costing in terms of tax dollars; LOOK at what is being created and perpetuated!! My daughter's loser boyfriend: (anecdotal, I know, but the trailer park he lives in is full of these stories): Single mother; he never remembers her working - collects food stamps, and a welfare check; Grandmother lives at home, collects a SS disability check (back)- but she's about to age out of that; the boyfriend drops out of high school, injures his back training for MMA; and now HE collects SS disability!!!
I honestly don't know what policies to propose, but I have some thoughts; will get back to them next week - ultimately it seems we might have gone astray from "first, do no harm" with our policies; they are doing, in fact, a GREAT deal of harm - and not to the people paying the bills, but to some of the people, ostensibly, the plans were put in place to help
Is intention measurable?
The USA is the only first world country to have a form of ins utionalized slavery via the courts, with inmates accounting for a massive amount of subsidized labor in the US marketplace.
One of the fundamental issues is that politics now works to the election cycle and planning goes no further. In the US any administraion has 18 months to effect policy, then the mid terms and then the re-election cycle. No one want to be unpopular so the latter half-two thirds is unproductive. However in order to be popular the bills have not been paid and the US is spending their grandchildren's future.
maybe it kept em just above the line
nothing magic, like your stupid FAITH in the 2nd Amendment to kill all gun regulations, restrictions, just hard arithmetic.
Please... please... please...
The war on drugs is not working
Put on your critical thinking hat if you have one, which I seriously doubt...
Do you realize that the curve your presented looks amazingly similar to a population growth curve?
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 01-11-2014 at 11:59 AM.
The US population, or maybe just the non-white population, grew 10x from 1970 to 2008.
you are so ing stupid. Are you saying the US population has grown 4x from 1984 to now?
Wow. You really are one of the least intelligent people that posts in this forum.
"Looks like"?
lol
http://www.ibtimes.com/greedy-thief-...-scene-1532912
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/u...ldren-21479439
your typical democrat voters
I think what WC was trying to say is "don't you realize that minorities LOOK LIKE criminals. PS: I have black friends"
You got it.
To really analyse the data, you have to control for simple population growth first, before you can get something meaningful.
No, it has not.
approximately 34% in total. (309/235)
That said, the point is still valid in a very real sense, i.e. rates matter more than sheer numbers.
In this case, even after controlling for that, there was still a high rate, and very arguably due to the mandatory sentencing laws.
Intended purpose or function is quite measurable. If the intended purpose of a car design team is to produce a market-ready vehicle that gets more than 30 MPG and has certain other characteristics, you can simply measure the gas mileage of the car, and then test it against the other characteristics you select.
Easy question.
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