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  1. #51
    Allenhu Joshbar DeadlyDynasty's Avatar
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    One of my biggest pet peeves is people who lack perspective. Do any of you have any idea how horrible the NBA was from c. 1973-1983? It was about as relevant as the WNBA is now, with rampant coke addictions and countless other scandals. Furthermore, compare Stern to his contemporaries:

    Selig: Pariah, forever responsible for Steroid era
    Bettman: 3 lockouts, you can't even find NHL games on TV anymore
    Tags/Goodell: Horrible rule changes and denial of NFL causing brain injuries

    Stern has his fair share of skeletons, but his good FAR exceeds his bad--and the Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks, Bulls, Pistons, and Rockets (most of the fanbases here) have never experienced more relevance or success than under his tenure. Yeah he's a coniving, crafty jew, but that's just genetics.

    Lemme preface this by saying it's a terrible, incongruous analogy--but this reminds me of got liberal college kids who argue that we shouldn't have dropped the bomb(s) on Japan--again, lack of perspective, people think that 2014 is just like 1945. In this case, people think 1983's NBA is just like today's NBA.

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    Allenhu Joshbar DeadlyDynasty's Avatar
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    At the end of the day, you can't escape he was running primarily an entertainment business, so I have no problem stating he was great at his job. Nobody can take that away from him.

    We'll see what Silver looks like, but I'm sure he'll have Stern on speed dial if the need arises.
    Sport IS entertainment. It's a distraction from everyday life.

    ESPN: Entertainment and Sports Programming Network

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  4. #54
    notthewordsofonewhokneels Thread's Avatar
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    One of my biggest pet peeves is people who lack perspective. Do any of you have any idea how horrible the NBA was from c. 1973-1983? It was about as relevant as the WNBA is now, with rampant coke addictions and countless other scandals. Furthermore, compare Stern to his contemporaries:

    Selig: Pariah, forever responsible for Steroid era
    Bettman: 3 lockouts, you can't even find NHL games on TV anymore
    Tags/Goodell: Horrible rule changes and denial of NFL causing brain injuries

    Stern has his fair share of skeletons, but his good FAR exceeds his bad--and the Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks, Bulls, Pistons, and Rockets (most of the fanbases here) have never experienced more relevance or success than under his tenure. Yeah he's a coniving, crafty jew, but that's just genetics.

    Lemme preface this by saying it's a terrible, incongruous analogy--but this reminds me of got liberal college kids who argue that we shouldn't have dropped the bomb(s) on Japan--again, lack of perspective, people think that 2014 is just like 1945. In this case, people think 1983's NBA is just like today's NBA.
    Damn, Deads got up off the floor a couple days ago and he's been a house afire. He's covered the entire gamut, from 100 honkys Vs 4000 spear chuckers to a Super Jew, even to Fat Man & Little Boy.

    Deads, in his Edmund O'Brien/"Dutton Peabody" renaissance.

    Deads

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    Great commish overall but:

    1. The amare suspension was horse (i had no dog in that fight but that was bull )
    2. The veto though he actually had good basketball reasons ... pretty much every variation of the Paul trade was ty including the one they accepted.
    3. The pussification of the league they over-reacted to the Malice at the Palace ...
    4. Too many flagrant fouls
    5. Inconsistent refs who favor the home team and star players even more than the old school ones did
    6. The WNBA ...nuff said
    7. No HD for League Pass while NFL ticket has had it for years ...
    8. No ala carte options for LP ...
    9. Lockouts
    10. the MJ retirement cover up ... and ALl the conspiracy theories (frozen envelope, Lebron in cleveland and Rose in chicago)

    He did however:

    1. market the game successfully.
    2. Hitched his wagon to the right stars; MJ, Bird, Magic, Lebron etc.
    3. Eliminated the cocaine abusers of the 70's/80's
    4. Built up NBATV
    5. Partnership with TNT, ABC, ESPN
    6. sold his stars as community first (NBA cares)
    7. Destroyed the players in the new CBA and ...
    8. did his best to protect dumb owners from their own mistakes ...i dont agree with new CBA but he "won" for the owners
    9. Though nowhere on the level of the NFL in the US but you could argue world wide only EPL, and other top tier Soccer leagues are in better shape from a international appeal perspective.
    10. change perception of league from negro leagues to a international melting pot.


    stern has been one of the best commish in domestic sports but the NFL with their success you haveto give Rozelle and maybe even Goodell even more props ...

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    Spurs fans are stupid for not loving Stern. Without Stern being a hardass in the 99 lockout Duncan would have been pulling the same kind of contract that absolutely crippled Minnesota with Garnett. Without the luxury tax the Spurs would have surely gotten priced out of their own free agents and never been able to keep Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili together. He has presided over a league where small markets like San Antonio, Sacramento, Oklahoma City, and Indiana had or have real shots at les (though 2002 Game 6 was obviously a sham, but I blame that one Bavetta). With the way salaries were blowing up in the 90s (Ewing pulling $18 million per in late 90s dollars? ) I have serious doubts Peter Holt could have afforded to keep a le contender together without Stern. The one real blemish on his record was not hanging Bavetta by the balls for screwing the 02 Kings the same way he did the 98 Jazz (with the Eisley three pointer he waved off). But overall, he was great for the NBA, and I don't buy the hype that Magic, Bird, and Jordan get all the credit since every era has transcendent stars.
    Baseline and Deadly with truth bombs ...

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    The David Stern MVP Award goes to...

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    Will the Thunderefs thank him for all the foodstamps?

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    I'm going to miss that Jew tbh.

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    I'm gonna miss the annual booing at the draft, tbh.

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    Methlahoma is loving those Stern foodstamps:


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    Methlahoma is loving those Stern foodstamps:

    Hmm...

    Oklahoma gave less approval than California.

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    Methlahoma is loving those Stern foodstamps:

    Stern handed them an NBA fanchise, dude, and it also explains why Washington state gave him F. I think it's quite obvious on that map, isn't it?

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    Stern handed them an NBA fanchise, dude, and it also explains why Washington state gave him F. I think it's quite obvious on that map, isn't it?

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    Stern handed them an NBA fanchise, dude, and it also explains why Washington state gave him F. I think it's quite obvious on that map, isn't it?
    Well, their franchise itself is the biggest foodstamp of all, tbh

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    CROFL bitter Seattle fans. Hope Peyton s all over them just like my Clay Bennett. Stern did the right thing letting that franchise leave all those ungrateful s.

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    Hope Peyton s all over them
    Absolutely.

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    I would give the credit to bird,magic and jordan. I know why Spurs fans hate him, but why in the world would lakers fans hate him? 2001 portland got screwed, 2002 it was the kings, 2004 it was the Spurs 0.4. They got gaysol for a bag of chips from former laker jerry west and we could go on and on and on.

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    I would give the credit to bird,magic and jordan. I know why Spurs fans hate him, but why in the world would lakers fans hate him? 2001 portland got screwed, 2002 it was the kings, 2004 it was the Spurs 0.4. They got gaysol for a bag of chips from former laker jerry west and we could go on and on and on.
    Sup Horse? Still hanging out with your glazed donuts at Dunkin and using them as oil for your massage clients?

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    Seattle is a great city.

    the supersonics, they were an evil that had to be eradicated but Seattle does deserve another team.

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    Seattle is a great city.

    the supersonics, they were an evil that had to be eradicated but Seattle does deserve another team.

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    I would give the credit to bird,magic and jordan. I know why Spurs fans hate him, but why in the world would lakers fans hate him? 2001 portland got screwed, 2002 it was the kings, 2004 it was the Spurs 0.4. They got gaysol for a bag of chips from former laker jerry west and we could go on and on and on.
    This tbh


    lol at those saying he did a lot for the NBA

    If anything, he destroyed it

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    I would give the credit to bird,magic and jordan. I know why Spurs fans hate him, but why in the world would lakers fans hate him? 2001 portland got screwed, 2002 it was the kings, 2004 it was the Spurs 0.4. They got gaysol for a bag of chips from former laker jerry west and we could go on and on and on.
    The last thing Adelman told CWEBB outta that time out was not to leave Horry.

    tee, hee.

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