I think its stupid to go making predictions like this when noone knows what Fabricio can do on an NBA floor--INCLUDING the spurs front office
this is like when half of the forum was sucking Scola's D for being the future savior of the spurs
Just like it would be stupid to be giving up Rasho when you don't know what Oberto can do in the NBA, right?
Oops.
It's clear how this is going to unfold. Nobody in the league wants to help the Spurs make even more $ while they are winning championships, so it's going to be tough for them to move Rasho. But they will find a way, eventually. Nazr will be moved or lost in free agency. Maybe the Spurs will offer him a partially guaranteed deal just like they did with DA.
If you have people desperate enough to think he's worth $70-80mil, the sky's the limit.
Nazr could potentially garner a 1st rounder from a lotto team.
I dont think the front office signed fabricio to that cheap deal thinking that this is their center after losing nazr and rasho
Nazr will get good offers next summer, but come on....the entire nation saw his weaknesses just as easily as we did, including other team's front offices
he has no post moves, pump fakes like a 4th grader, etc
so like it was said, he would have to have a bad ass season to get good offers
if he DOES have a bad ass season, we'll repeat...
and if that happens, then ok i wont mind losing him as much heh
Did the Spurs sign Manu to a small deal thinking that he was nothing? Nope. They did it because they could.
It's not unheard of that the Spurs could end up with a starting quality center on the cheap. Every team knew about Tony Parker back in 2001. Three or four teams in dire need of a point guard passed on him in the first round.
The Spurs have proven to be somewhat better than the average NBA front office when it comes to evaluating international talent. Given how they are proceeding so far in this offseason, they seem to think that Oberto is the real deal.
The effort to limit his minutes were due to Tim's idiotic notion to play in the Olympics. You can blame weak ankles for that, too, along with all the other b-ball he's been playing. Tim should now realize that in his prime he better start taking care of his body and not his pride.
At least the league's front offices were smart enough to realize he was playing on a bum wheel against the league's best defensive center, something you are apparently unwilling to recognize.the entire nation saw his weaknesses just as easily as we did, including other team's front offices
he has no post moves, pump fakes like a 4th grader, etc
Yeah but I dont think we can compare manu to fabricio. Manu was already hailed as one of the best leaders and guards ever wasnt he?
The FO is better than most other FO's, but they've been keeping the wool over the other team's eyes for a while now, I just find it hard to believe that other teams have not caught on to evaluating foreign talent better.
I read something either on woai or mysanantonio about how fabricio might even play PF instead of C due to size issues
how is this what we need?
Oberto was regarded as one of the best, if not the best, centers in Europe.
Oberto is 6'10" and 245 lbs.
Nazr? 6'10" and 250 lbs.
If he starts mouthing off to the press about playing time in the playoffs, I hope they do. Actually, I hope they waive his ass that day.
Marcus, you do realized that PAUL IhavemoremoneythanGod ING ALLEN just waived DA and the last two years of that contract he got, right?
Seems to me like the partially guaranteed deal the Spurs offered was pretty damn accurate...
Look, I think that considering the lux tax threshold as an absolute hard cap limit is not the proper way to ensure additional trips to the finals in the Duncan era. In fact, it is total crap. However, I won't exactly be crying to see Rasho go, and I wasn't crying about losing what Malik was bringing to the court last year. I agree with those decisions.
Nazr is another story. If he plays well this year the true test for the ownership group will come next summer. If they let Nazr walk instead of signing him, that's when you have something to really about.
All the Spurs have done to this point is get rid of one inconsistent player spending more time on the bench and in the coaching doghouse each year, and try to get rid of a center that spent the first half of the season playing like he's getting estrogen replacement therapy and then lost his starting spot to a guy who didn't even know the playbook and has hands worse than Malik's.
Hmm
Why didn't our team make a run out Swift this offseason? I'm still baffled that he was signed for the freaking MLE.
IMO, that is what the spurs need, an athletic center who can clean up Tim's 4-5 missed shots a game..
Is Fabricio noted for being athletic? (in other words can he get more than 3 inches off the ground so that he can dunk it)
What was the bum wheel? The groin he hurt like in December or the mild calf strain he suffered like in March?
Nazr had a bum wheel? Or are you talking about the groin thing?
Not that I disagreed with the move, but let's understand that the Spurs never wanted him back to begin with. That was the point of my reference.
The point is that they have already been making basketball decisions based on contract size, first and foremost. I'd say Rose handled the situation rather well, all things considered.Look, I think that considering the lux tax threshold as an absolute hard cap limit is not the proper way to ensure additional trips to the finals in the Duncan era. In fact, it is total crap. However, I won't exactly be crying to see Rasho go, and I wasn't crying about losing what Malik was bringing to the court last year. I agree with those decisions.
Nazr is another story. If he plays well this year the true test for the ownership group will come next summer. If they let Nazr walk instead of signing him, that's when you have something to really about.
What was happening on the court and in the lockerroom with respect to Malik was not immune from what was happening in the front office. The Spurs hung that deal over his head from day one.All the Spurs have done to this point is get rid of one inconsistent player spending more time on the bench and in the coaching doghouse each year, and try to get rid of a center that spent the first half of the season playing like he's getting estrogen replacement therapy and then lost his starting spot to a guy who didn't even know the playbook and has hands worse than Malik's.
You can't compare positions, true. But it was also said (mysa.com) that Oberto was "the man" on the nat'l team when the Spurs were scouting Manu way back when.
So we're going to give up TWO of our starting-quality centers for one that hasn't played a single game in the NBA yet?
Yes, but don't shoot the messenger.
thats what im thinking
no matter how good scouting reports can be, he still hasnt played on an NBA court once
No. They didn't want him back for the price he was asking. If they wanted to ensure that they would be rid of him, they wouldn't have offered a contract at all. The Spurs offered a deal commensurate with what they thought he was worth.
In what way? Malik was still on the team, and had opportunities to play well in games and get himself back in the rotation. Guess what - he didn't play well. Rose handled being traded rather well, no doubt about that. But the previous season and a half? He didn't handle it well at all. The Spurs gave him a contract and said "this is for doing what you do. Keep doing it, we need your skill set on this team." Then Malik went out and decided to change his game. Is it the Spurs fault he did this? No way. One of two things happened. Either Malik made a conscious decision to change the way her played, which would be pretty unprofessional given what the Spurs wanted him to play like; or he felt pressure to change his game to justify his contract, which just means he is weak mentally. If a team gives you a contract and says "this is for playing the way you did last year. Keep doing that, baby. That is what we want to pay you for." and despite this you feel "pressure" to change the way you play, what does that say about you?The point is that they have already been making basketball decisions based on contract size, first and foremost. I'd say Rose handled the situation rather well, all things considered.
Proof? Show me something, anything where the Spurs asked him to do anything more or play any differently than how he played when he earned that contract. The only thing the Spurs ever hung over his head publically was when he was playing with his head up his ass, something that he did FAR less frequently before he signed the contract.What was happening on the court and in the lockerroom with respect to Malik was not immune from what was happening in the front office. The Spurs hung that deal over his head from day one.
If Malik couldn't handle the pressure of getting paid more $ for performing in the same way and at the same level that he did before signing his deal, that's on Malik, not the Spurs.
I consider the wheel to be the leg.
He had the groin thing, then the calf thing, there was even a report in one of the game recaps for either the Seattle or Phoenix series where Monroe or Harvey were mentioned his leg injury.
I ment to say you are giving him away..
a first round pick is not "the sky's the limit".
Rose's best season came the year after he signed his big contract. In 2002-03 Rose played at a high level and was huge in the playoffs. Spurs fans either don't remember that, don't want to remember that or have their dates confused.Proof? Show me something, anything where the Spurs asked him to do anything more or play any differently than how he played when he earned that contract. The only thing the Spurs ever hung over his head publically was when he was playing with his head up his ass, something that he did FAR less frequently before he signed the contract.
If Malik couldn't handle the pressure of getting paid more $ for performing in the same way and at the same level that he did before signing his deal, that's on Malik, not the Spurs.
After that season ended, the Spurs started to try to trade him. They wanted to go after Kidd, JO'Neal and whoever else was a free agent that summer. Getting Rose's contract off the books would have helped in those regards.
The next season, Horry came to town and the Spurs had their out. They had a more experienced, taller playoff legend at a cheaper price. That's when the trade rumors were no longer rumors ... they were facts. So Rose had to deal with a player brought in to beat him out, the pressure of producing with his contract AND constant trade rumors. His minutes become more sporadic and he eventually failed.
The Spurs got exactly what they wanted. They got rid of the long-term contract Rose had and replaced him with a minimum salary veteran. The fans were mad, but not as mad as they would have been if Rose hadn't been hung out to dry for the previous one and a half years. No one could have produced at the level the contract demanded coming off the bench while fighting with Horry for minutes.
The Spurs are damn smart. Don't think any of this happens by accident. They traded away Rose and inserted a cheap veteran in his place.
Now the ironic thing is they're hoping the exact same thing happens with Mohammed. They have a cheap veteran who will compete with Mohammed for minutes. When Mohammed becomes a free-agent, the Spurs can play the greed card and hang Mohammed out to dry. This time, Oberto can fill in his role and the Spurs again are able to cut salaries and come out smelling like roses (no put intended).
P.S.
Also do not forget about the reasons the Spurs gave Rose the contract in the first place. It was a show of good faith to Tim Duncan (signing his best friend and proving they are willing to spend money) and it was to keep Rose away from the Lakers. The Lakers actually offered more money to Rose, but he picked SA.
timvp handled the Rose issue quite well, so I will deal with the DA one.
His market rate at the time was a long term deal for $40 to 45 mil, completely guaranteed. The Spurs were ing him around. Yes, he whined about it a lot publicly, but it's clear that the Spurs did not want him back and wanted him to find them a good sign and trade deal. They were offering only 4 years guaranteed and the rest non-guaranteed plus performance clauses and what not. It was a bogus offer. They didn't want him back. If they did they would've come with the years at the start.No. They didn't want him back for the price he was asking. If they wanted to ensure that they would be rid of him, they wouldn't have offered a contract at all. The Spurs offered a deal commensurate with what they thought he was worth.
But they still were able to go to the public with a '6 year deal for $42 mil' offer to him.
Sure, they were right about him not being a good long term contract candidate. I have yet to disagree with that. But they wanted him gone.
Cheap vet? You talk about it like we replaced him with Tony Massenberg.The Spurs are damn smart. Don't think any of this happens by accident. They traded away Rose and inserted a cheap veteran in his place.
We replaced Rose with Robert Freakin' Horry. Without the guy, we'd be picking up the pieces trying to figure out what went wrong this past playoffs.
But hey, Horry was just some scrub vet brought in to displace Rose on the cheap, all part of some dubious management plot
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