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Good point. Taj in starting lineup then. He is an excellent PF imo. Melo can still play SF if he wants
They have to amnesty Boozer to sign him. That's OK, though. Melo is a better 4 than he is a 3.
Good point. Taj in starting lineup then. He is an excellent PF imo. Melo can still play SF if he wants
They have to trade Gibson as well.
Scenario: We're going to be around $10m under the cap and need to resign Diaw and Mills. That means we're not going to be able to use cap space any more than the MLE, which makes cap space irrelevant for this summer.
With the luxury tax going up, what would be the scenario with Timmy opting out and taking a larger contract? Could we get in trouble if we gave him $15m and then he chose to come back the year after at a heavily reduced salary? It seems dodgy but if there's absolutly no agreement between Timmy and the Front Office, would the Spurs have done anything wrong?
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Resigning with Diaw + Mills will eat all of our space even though that raise.
This just means the Spurs will more than likely be resigning both Diaw and Mills. Spurs will still have wiggle room to make a acquisition for a backup SF if needed.
That's okay. The Free Agent Market is bad for MLE type of players this year. Outside of the Heat Big 3, Gasol, Deng, & Melo, there is a significant drop in talent in the FA market. You know its bad when Blair is considering the 3-4 best C available by most websites.
After resigning both (I would say for 5mil a year contracts), the Spurs will still have the full MLE and BAE to use in Free Agency this year I believe. It is my understanding that a team can first resign its own players. And if they are over the Salary Cap, but under the Luxury Tax, they will still be afforded the Full MLE and BAE. Spurs more than likely will resign Bonner as well, for a less contract.
I don't see the Spurs doing much this off season other than resigning Mills, Diaw & Bonner. Spurs targets will probably be a backup SF in Granger, Pierce, AK47, RJ (just kidding) for the MLE.
so, assuming this happens, how much cap space do we have to resign current or new players
I would say Diaw will resign for a similar $4.5M contract, Mills for around $3M multi-year and Bonner for the veteran minimum. Then the Spurs should try to sign Pau Gasol with a MLE multi-year contract (doubt the Spurs will agree to send anyone from the 'ship team in a S&T with the Lakers) and Pierce with the BAE or what is left from the cap.
Adding Gasol would be great also in the long term, with Splitter, Kawhi, Green and Parker - the Spurs would be set for another run or two.
Zero right at first because the cap holds for Diaw, Bonner, and Mills put the Spurs well above the cap.
If the Spurs renounce everyone they can have about $10M. Realistically, it will probably be less than the MLE (bringing back Diaw is a high priority), so the Spurs should have the MLE to work with.
about $52. 7 million if they cut Daye and let Baynes walk. I could see Diaw signing a $3 year, 15 million dollar deal or maybe a 2 year, $12 million dollar deal. For Mills, maybe a 3 year, $10 million with the final year a player option (would be 28 if he opted out)
that would put the Spurs around $61 million roughly.
Assuming Bonner is gone. the Spurs would have 4 open roster spots. If they use their draft pick , thats an addition $1 million putting them at $62.
I think their are a couple of exceptions they can use (maybe room exception or the Bi exception) but i'm not sure.
Cojo and Ayers combine for $3.9 million next season. If we could pawn them off for a serviceable player or throw in a future second rounder for a team to take them on. We could have almost $5 million if my numbers are right.
Pau and Pierceresigning diaw and mills
yeah sure
An addition of Pierce will be great, i was calling to trade for him even last summer, hope this time we could get him...
pierce on the spurs doesnt make sense ... but GASOL OH MAMA yes he would fit perfectly with his IQ and skills
I don't know how I feel about Pau. He's clearly skilled offensively and I feel like he could do wonders coming off the bench for us...but 3 things:
1) I'm not sure if he'd be willing to come off the bench
2) I'm not sure what type of contract he'd be looking for
3) He's pretty ty on defense at this point in his career. Then again part of that might just have to do with the trainwreck team he was on.
He'd probably only play up to 20 mpg but is a clear upgrade over Baynes and Ayers as a 4th big man. The Spurs bench wasn't very good defensively last season, it just hammered teams offensively.
a Mills (if resigned)-Belinelli-Manu-Diaw-Gasol could be ridiculous.
if he is in play for the vet min. (doubtful, imo) Memphis seems like a legit choice, or probably Miami depending on how their cap works out. He could easily start for them, I don't think they'd continue with the Bosh at 5 as much.
Memphis is where his parents reside, obviously his brother as well. With Randolph aging, i could see him having a bigger role as 3rd big off the bench playing with either Gasol or ZBo.
Can still but up numbers but the miles on him would worry me. If KG is back, then he'd probably stay in BK. They aren't a bad squad when healthy. They need to improve defensively in order to have any chance of being a legit contender
On determining if a team is above or below the cap as it relates to the MLE (bigger MLE for teams above cap), do they look at payroll as of the start of free agency? Could we theoretically use the bigger MLE and then renounce Bonner / sign him at the minimum which would have effectively put us under the cap pre-FA?
The only place Pierce would go besides Brooklyn is the Clips. He's an LA guy and would be reunited with Doc. Plus, Clips had for SF's last year.
Can't use both cap space and the MLE. I believe that if the team's cap space is less than the MLE the team gets to use the MLE instead (but not both) so as not to put a team a little under the cap at a compe ive disadvantage vis a vis a team over the cap.
But Diaw's cap hold alone is almost $9M, and that doesn't count Bonner (though if he is willing to take the min the Spurs will renounce him and sign him last) or Mills. If Mills leaves and Diaw takes $4M or less, the Spurs could slightly beat a MLE offer, but I don't see Diaw taking that little.
Thanks, I was thinking of the "Room" MLE (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm) which lets a team get a $2.6mm MLE if it otherwise were to lose other exceptions on a deal for up to two years. Would much rather have the full MLE.
I forgot Boris' cap hold was that high. Either way, in all likelihood we have room for one guy at around the MLE, and Holt will hopefully pony up the cash to get someone who can eat quality minutes during the regular season and be part of the rotation (no matter how small) in the postseason.
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