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    Spurs need to close up the spaces on defense and live with guys like Marion/Harris shooting. Don't need to double other guys all the time, but crowd up the painted area and bait those guys into shooting more than they are comfortable with. It's just odd that with this Mavs strategy of sticking to Spurs shooters that Pop wouldn't go with Danny more. If Beli/Patty aren't going to be able to get their usual shots off, why not have the best defensive players on the court so you aren't losing on both ends?

    Ya, it's puzzling, seems like a simple coaching strategy..Pop has used Green as a whipping boy all season, as TD21 pointed out in a different thread, tbh..

    I agree with Nono that you can live with Ellis scoring, you just need to shut down the peripheral players..Marion, Harris, Dalembert and Vince are doing most of the damage..

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    Ya, but they are doing their damage on fluky ways. Those 3's from Marion/Harris are exactly the shots you want them taking..

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    I agree, but the Mavs are doing major damage in transition and hustle points, guys like Marion/Harris/Dalembert..

    People keep talking about Ellis, but the real problem on defense has been in transition, where the Spurs have been absolutely embarrassing and giving up a ton of opportunities, tbh..not just turnovers, but also off bad shots/bricks..

    Marion and Ellis are getting way too many points in transition in this series, and Dalembert outhustled all the Spurs yesterday..

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    Meaning, it shouldn't be that hard to shut down (especially Marion/Harris) crappy offensive players. Which to me means it's worth it to guard Monta because it's not like you should have to sell out to guard Marion/Harris. If they were elite role players offensively, sure, but that's not the case here.

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    But yes, the transition defense has been cringe worthy. There are a ton of issues on both sides of the ball. The most frustrating thing is that much of this is all within the Spurs control. I have never seen a team that was so cohesive in the regular season and so poised all of the sudden meltdown and play like they have never seen each other before..

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    It's just strange that Danny has such a short leash even after his Finals run and being solid again this year, while Patty/Beli get the Matt Bonner 2008-2012 treatment tbh.

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    Tbh, Belli actually played fairly decently on Saturday, IMHO.

    Actually, tbh, FWIW (not much), the best +/-s on the team on Saturday were Manu (+10), Patty (+7), and Belli (+6).

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    Is it also concerning that Tim Duncan grabbed a grand total of two defensive rebounds in 36 minutes of play? Tbh. Splitter was dominant rebounding, but where was Timmy?

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    It's just strange that Danny has such a short leash even after his Finals run and being solid again this year, while Patty/Beli get the Matt Bonner 2008-2012 treatment tbh.
    It's 2009 Bowen vs. Finley/Mason all over again, tbh..

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    Duncan's rebounding has also been surprisingly sub-par this series averaging around 6-7 a game. It seems like Dalembert/Wright is getting their hands on defensive rebounds and disrupting them just enough to slow down the Spurs offense. This allows the Dallas D' to set their D and get back on sit on guys like Danny/Beli. The Spurs' offense hasn't been much of an issue but these little things contribute to taking away the role players which is obviously huge tbh.....

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    I think the Spurs should focus on shutting down Michael Jose Jordan Calderon, Marion, Bill Samuel Russell Dalembert, and the others. Monta Ellis used to always torch us back in his warriors/Bucks days. The real problem is allowing the other scrubs to have a field day

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    I agree, but the Mavs are doing major damage in transition and hustle points, guys like Marion/Harris/Dalembert..

    People keep talking about Ellis, but the real problem on defense has been in transition, where the Spurs have been absolutely embarrassing and giving up a ton of opportunities, tbh..not just turnovers, but also off bad shots/bricks..

    Marion and Ellis are getting way too many points in transition in this series, and Dalembert outhustled all the Spurs yesterday..
    Don't forget Calderon... which is a guy that couldn't shake a guy one on one under any cir stance, but he's just getting one screen, going to some island of empty space, and pulling comfortably for a jumper.

    Rick is hiding him on defense on Danny, which I think it's the main reason Pop is actually pulling Danny out (he can't get around him, can't post him up).

    We're also doing an absolutely trash job defensively on Dalembert... how in the you buy his pump fakes? In the pick and roll 10ft off the rim, we're rolling with him and leaving the shooters open. Dude can't do damage that far out.

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    Monta doesn't have to be stopped, on the contrary, you want him to shoot as much as possible.

    The guy is a low IQ chucker.

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    Pop: make more baskets

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    "Play harder."

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    Double-team on halfcourt

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    - More Green

    - Attack Ellis on the defensive End with Leonard.

    Boom!!
    Not quite that simple. Even with Marion on Parker and Calderon on Green, It would appear that Leonard would be able to exploit Ellis in the post. The problem is Splitter and Duncan. If Leonard posts on the left side of of the rim, then Splitter would have to be on the right side with Duncan above the FT line. Dalembert could just sag off Duncan and double Kawhi. Kawhi probably would pass out immediately and the Spurs would close out the possession without re-posting.

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    Not quite that simple. Even with Marion on Parker and Calderon on Green, It would appear that Leonard would be able to exploit Ellis in the post. The problem is Splitter and Duncan. If Leonard posts on the left side of of the rim, then Splitter would have to be on the right side with Duncan above the FT line. Dalembert could just sag off Duncan and double Kawhi. Kawhi probably would pass out immediately and the Spurs would close out the possession without re-posting.
    It's difficult, I agree, but Leonard actually had backdoor pass opportunities on both double teams he faced..

    Pop will point it out to him, they are passes he can make, tbh..

    The Mavs are executing well, but they really aren't an intelligent defensive team..

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    Monta doesn't have to be stopped, on the contrary, you want him to shoot as much as possible.

    The guy is a low IQ chucker.
    Ellis-20.3 ppg on 18.7 shots (42%, 30%3pt) in the series.

    As long as it isn't Dirk taking 19 shots....

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    Pop needs to subs ute offense for defense. Bench beli for good and play green 40 + mins

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    It's difficult, I agree, but Leonard actually had backdoor pass opportunities on both double teams he faced..

    Pop will point it out to him, they are passes he can make, tbh..

    The Mavs are executing well, but they really aren't an intelligent defensive team..
    Splitter usually stands on the baseline off to the side, so if someone drives his man leaves him and he would be available for a dump off pass. Depending on how Dirk plays it, he could cut off the passing lane and double Leonard at the same time. Leonard would probably need to back Eliis down and make his move near the left the baseline instead of trying to make his move and shoot in the paint.

    The Mavs would live with Duncan getting open jumpers. Duncans jump shot (from 10-22 feet) is down from 41.9 % last season to 37.8 % this season.

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    Splitter usually stands on the baseline off to the side, so if someone drives his man leaves him and he would be available for a dump off pass. Depending on how Dirk plays it, he could cut off the passing lane and double Leonard at the same time. Leonard would probably need to back Eliis down and make his move near the left the baseline instead of trying to make his move and shoot in the paint.

    The Mavs would live with Duncan getting open jumpers. Duncans jump shot (from 10-22 feet) is down from 41.9 % last season to 37.8 % this season.
    I agree, which is what I said in my game 2 thoughts thread, tbh..

    Duncan is going to have to make some jump shots in this series, but it doesn't look like he has confidence in the J right now, he has attempted very few in this series, so far..

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    I agree, which is what I said in my game 2 thoughts thread, tbh..

    Duncan is going to have to make some jump shots in this series, but it doesn't look like he has confidence in the J right now, he has attempted very few in this series, so far..
    He's got to take the shot anyway to make the defense respect it.

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    Monta is a bad matchup for Green, Kawhi and all our other guards. Might as well concentrate on stopping other guys tbh

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    It's not about how far back you stand of the offensive player. Defense is about making them feel uncomfortable. Sometimes that means sagging of them and sometimes that means pressuring them. You want to try to keep them off balance so that can't get confident. You want them to be thinking driving when they should be shooting and shooting when they should be driving.

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