Sprinters as pass rushers.

[Avante]

lets say your 190 pound pass rusher is coming off the left edge (from the QB's perspective). to take advantage of his speed, he is going to take a wide angle and try to loop around the slower left tackle. this vacates the entire left side of the pocket, which is where the QB can easily slip into. you lose contain

Now what happens when that off tackle is way out there trying to deal with a 4.3 guy? That's right there will be a huge gap between him and the guard. What happens now, that's right here comes that backer.

[Avante]

So who are you saying would be the 'situational' rusher? A legitimate sprinter off the street? dude, they have to get to the quarterback not just simply run by the tackle. If he wants to just sprint by the tackle, the tackle will just form a pocket around the quarterback. Eventually he's gonna have to make some sort of contact with somebody who weighs 100 more pounds than him.

If you think he's gonna come in for a blitz, how long do you think that gimmick will work until coaches figure it out and just put a running back in there to blow it up?

"off the street"....hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, how about just reading for awhile ok?

[Ricky Davis]

Now what happens when that off tackle is way out there trying to deal with a 4.3 guy? That's right there will be a huge gap between him and the guard. What happens now, that's right here comes that backer.

[spurraider21]

Now what happens when that off tackle is way out there trying to deal with a 4.3 guy? That's right there will be a huge gap between him and the guard. What happens now, that's right here comes that backer.

if you are going to be blitzing anyway, it doesn't matter. that just means some underneath/hot route is open. the guard would also pick up any weakside linebacker in a standard blocking scheme

[Ricky Davis]

If Avante really believes that opening up the gap between the guard and tackle for a blitz is a master plan that can't be stopped and that nobody has ever thought of, then I'm not saying he should commit suicide but etc

[Avante]

if you are going to be blitzing anyway, it doesn't matter. that just means some underneath/hot route is open. the guard would also pick up any weakside linebacker in a standard blocking scheme

Who said anything about a blitz, that's the beauty in this, you don't blitz and still get that speed rush.

The bottom line is make it to where backs have to stay in, now you'll only have three receivers out instead of five. Think about what that does for coverage.

[Avante]

If Avante really believes that opening up the gap between the guard and tackle for a blitz is a master plan that can't be stopped and that nobody has ever thought of, then I'm not saying he should commit suicide but etc

You bring in these speed rushers ....SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLITZ.....hel-lo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So nobody here ever played football, wow!

[spurraider21]

Who said anything about a blitz, that's the beauty in this, you don't blitz and still get that speed rush.

The bottom line is make it to where backs have to stay in, now you'll only have three receivers out instead of five. Think about what that does for coverage.

how can you send a linebacker and not call it a blitz. are you mentally re ed?

[Avante]

how can you send a linebacker and not call it a blitz. are you mentally re ed?

Are you telling me a backer rushing in with backs staying in to block is a blitz, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ricky Davis]

Now what happens when that off tackle is way out there trying to deal with a 4.3 guy? That's right there will be a huge gap between him and the guard. What happens now, that's right here comes that backer.

Who said anything about a blitz, that's the beauty in this, you don't blitz and still get that speed rush.

The bottom line is make it to where backs have to stay in, now you'll only have three receivers out instead of five. Think about what that does for coverage.

You bring in these speed rushers ....SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLITZ.....hel-lo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So nobody here ever played football, wow!

I think it's time to just admit that this thread was a failure and chalk it up as a loss tbh

[Avante]

Let me try this again, it's real obvious you littler dudes need help.

You want to keep backs in to block, ok ya with? So you bring in as couple cats with some speed....ok? There is a real good chance they will beat a big tackle. I'M TALKING ABOUT THIRD AND LONG....ONLY...ok?

The goal is...

1.less receivers in the pattern
2.get the QB off his spot
3.sack the QB

Anyone STILL not getting this?

[Blake]

You bring in these speed rushers ....SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLITZ.....hel-lo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So nobody here ever played football, wow!

nobody here played football in the 40s with you, fet ol .

I'm sure the huge linemen were 175 in those days.

[Avante]

I think it's time to just admit that this thread was a failure and chalk it up as a loss tbh

I gotta agree, I keep forgetting the lack of football knowledge here. What's...obvious to those in the know, doesn't work "here". You have to use a giant crayon as if dealing with grade schoolers.

[Avante]

nobody here played football in the 40s with you, fet ol .

I'm sure the huge linemen were 175 in those days.

I played my last "tackle football in pads" in 1988 little man, it was one of the three HS alumni games I played in. So wrong...AGAIN...as usual.

Dude, you ever hear of Ernie Ladd and Buck Buchanon? How 250 pound fullback Cookie Gilchrist? How about 6-7 receiver Harold Carmichael?

Does...ignorant...hurt?

Ever hear of Marion Motley ya dumb ?

[Blake]

I think it's time to just admit that this thread was a failure and chalk it up as a loss tbh

Hahahhahhahahaa he ain't taking a knee here, slick.

[spurraider21]

Are you telling me a backer rushing in with backs staying in to block is a blitz, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

where did i say my back is staying in to block?

[Avante]

where did i say my back is staying in to block?

Dude, that's been the point of this, you really don't get that? That's why I brought it up, and you missed that?

Wow!

[Blake]

I gotta agree, I keep forgetting the lack of football knowledge here. What's...obvious to those in the know, doesn't work "here". You have to use a giant crayon as if dealing with grade schoolers.

nobody in the know agrees with you, fetty

[spurraider21]

Dude, that's been the point of this, you really don't get that? That's why I brought it up, and you missed that?

Wow!

so basically your master plan is ing useless if the back leaks out into a flat route? cool

[Avante]

Hahahhahhahahaa he ain't taking a knee here, slick.

That coming from a guy who really thinks the NFL was full of 175 pounders in thr 40's, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ricky Davis]

how can you send a linebacker and not call it a blitz. are you mentally re ed?

I forgot what the term is called but he's using an argumentative tactic that is commonly used when you've obviously lost the debate.

He's making case #1, then that gets refuted and he goes on to case #2. Case #2 then gets refuted, so he goes on to case #3, etc and eventually back to case #1 and we go round and round. By using clever little insults, he's hoping that somebody who is doing a drive by on this thread without really reading it, will think that he actually has a point.

[Avante]

so basically your master plan is ing useless if the back leaks out into a flat route? cool

Now think just a little bit amigo, ok?

You'll have three receivers only to deal with. you rush five players, now you have six guys to cover three receivers. Now think, you can do this.

I'll slow it down...

tweo guys to cover the ace receiver
one on the TE
one on the other receiver

Now we have two guys watching the flats.

Talk about complex, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

I forgot what the term is called but he's using an argumentative tactic that is commonly used when you've obviously lost the debate.

He's making case #1, then that gets refuted and he goes on to case #2. Case #2 then gets refuted, so he goes on to case #3, etc and eventually back to case #1 and we go round and round. By using clever little insults, he's hoping that somebody who is doing a drive by on this thread without really reading it, will think that he actually has a point.

Why not just read what I said? I made it very very clear what this is about.

[Ricky Davis]

so now he's playing the you just didn't read it carefully enough card. Interesting tactic.

[spurraider21]

ok avante, basically you are speaking on behalf of the defense, yet you are calling MY (the offense's) formation, personnel, and play selection in order to make your gimmick work...

on one hand you say you aren't blitzing, then you say you are sending a backer in between my tackle and guard. its all just bad