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    The double-standards are hilarious, btw....

    Team with LeBron relies on isoball and gets shut down by superior team defense = "LOL LeChoke!!!111one"

    Team with Durbeta relies on isoball and gets shut down by superior team defense = "Scott Brooks is a ty coach who needs to be fired! WestBRICK (get it?) needs to pass the ball more! "

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    Yeah because rip through moves have made the game better. Ref reliant players have ruined it. No way is this era the best.
    Rip through moves suck. The pendulum has swung a bit too far in the offensive player's favor. I can't stand watching guys like Durant, and especially Harden, who play to get a foul and not go for the bucket. However, I would still take that over the late 1990s slug-fests which were abysmal to watch. If I wanted to watch a low scoring affair involving a round ball going into a net, I'd watch soccer.

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    I am talking about the Bird, McHale and Parrish team and the Showtime Laker team. Those teams didn't rely on 3 point shooting

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    Shooting 3s requires actual skills and talent, why the is it considered "bad"?..

    I don't understand these fans that glorify the dirty goons of the 80s/90s(Charles Oakley, etc) that had limited skill levels, yet hate on the skilled art of shooting 3-pointers..

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    The 80's because it set the league on the course to unprecedented global popularity. You may say that the quality of basketball now is miles better in the 2000's (LMAO 90's) but the massive 80's success of the NBA demanded the league to continue improving the product it puts out on the floor. Some people may not like it but in the end the whole world is watching the NBA because the 80's set the stage.

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    The double-standards are hilarious, btw....

    Team with LeBron relies on isoball and gets shut down by superior team defense = "LOL LeChoke!!!111one"

    Team with Durbeta relies on isoball and gets shut down by superior team defense = "Scott Brooks is a ty coach who needs to be fired! WestBRICK (get it?) needs to pass the ball more! "
    The iso ball got them a 2-0 lead. Who was it that didn't show up in the next 4 4th quarters? No way the "best player in the world" should have lost to that team with his roster. LeBron choked plain and simple. LeBrons cup

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    The iso ball got them a 2-0 lead. Who was it that didn't show up in the next 4 4th quarters? No way the "best player in the world" should have lost to that team. LeBron choked plain and simple. LeBrons cup
    The Heat didn't have a 2-0 lead in 2011, dumbass, try again

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    Shooting 3s requires actual skills and talent, why the is it considered "bad"?..

    I don't understand these fans that glorify the dirty goons of the 80s/90s(Charles Oakley, etc) that had limited skill levels, yet hate on the skilled art of shooting 3-pointers..
    You have teams like GS and Houston who all they do is chuck three's. doesn't work in the playoffs.

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    The Heat didn't have a 2-0 lead in 2011, dumbass, try again
    Glad you admit he choked.

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    You have teams like GS and Houston who all they do is chuck three's. doesn't work in the playoffs.
    And the '80s had Doug Moe's Nuggets, the early '90s had the Nellieball Warriors, and the vaunted 2000's featured the Antoni Suns....

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    Glad you admit he choked.
    LeBron had a bad series in 2011, as every superstar has had at some point or another, but the Mavs deserve far more credit than they get for the defense that they played that series....

    Additionally, when LeBron loses, he's "LeChoke," but when, say, Durant loses, the coach and supporting cast immediately get blamed....

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    LeBron had a bad series in 2011, as every superstar has had at some point or another, but the Mavs deserve far more credit than they get for the defense that they played that series....

    Additionally, when LeBron loses, he's "LeChoke," but when, say, Durant loses, the coach and supporting cast immediately get blamed....
    Did Durant have the squad LeBron had in Miami?

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    And yes Durant is beta.

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    Did Durant have the squad LeBron had in Miami?
    He had Westbrook, Ibaka, AND Harden in 2012 and still got backdoor swept in the Finals....

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    He had Westbrook, Ibaka, AND Harden in 2012 and still got backdoor swept in the Finals....
    That team is better than 2012 Bosh, LeBron, and Wade? Also, all they do (OKC) is rely on free throws. When you have Scott Brooks whining about it and admitting it's how they get their points, it's easy to see where it comes from.

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    That team is better than 2012 Bosh, LeBron, and Wade?
    Considering Bosh was playing with a lower abdominal strain that caused him to miss a large portion of the playoffs and Wade was nowhere near his peak, Durant absolutely had the more stacked supporting cast

    Westbrook: one of the best PG's in the league
    Harden: was a great third option in MethKC despite choking so hard as the first option in Houston
    Ibaka: as annoying as he is, we're seeing in this year's WCF how much worse they are defensively without him

    And Durbeta couldn't ring with that?

    Also, all they do (OKC) is rely on free throws. When you have Scott Brooks whining about it and admitting it's how they get their points, it's easy to see where it comes from.
    On that, we agree - though they also rely on isoball when they aren't at the line....

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    Westbrook is more of a SG. He's not a traditional PG, and he will end up like Rose if he doesn't change positions.

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    What a great argument..taking 2-3 teams and ignoring the style of play of all the other great teams in the league..

    As a Spurs fan, as much as I love the '99 and 2003 teams, they ran such ugly and boring offenses that relied entirely on individual efforts to anchor the offense(obviously aided by Duncan and Robinson being unselfish team players and getting everybody involved)..the Spurs of the past few years are much more exciting and play a much more complicated brand of basketball..

    Sacramento winning in 2002 could have actually helped change the landscape of the league and altered the perception of needing "superstar 1-on-1 players" to win, but as DMC has said, the league preferred teams that rely on those superstar efforts, at the time..

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    It's just funny that everybody complains about teams like Indiana/Memphis and their ugly offense(which is a valid complaint), but ignores that virtually every team in the 90s and most of the 2000s played the same hideous style..

    The 2010 Lakers/Celtics Finals was one of the ugliest series in NBA history from a style standpoint, but it didn't receive backlash, because of the franchises involved..

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    The current era of basketball is the best era. People forget that the awful basketball of the 1990s is what instigated all of the rule changes to help facilitate offense. That ugliness was covered up because everyone was so focused on Jordan worship. Once he was gone, the league realized it was left with a ty product and had to act to fix it. The game has been sped up, and defenses actually have to use strategy as they are no longer allowed to maul offensive players.
    Today's complex schemes are only necessary because they took away many of the defensive tools like aggressive hand checking, illegal 3s defense rule, and softened the foul calls.

    You did not need the complex defenses of today because a Guard would get clobbered any time they even tried to drive into the lane and jump shooters could be hand checked while going up.

    Just because today's defensive schemes are more complex does NOT make them better, just different.

    Think of it like Boxing... if I take away your ability to put your hands up, then you're going to rely exclusively on head weaving and footwork to avoid being hit. Sure, your footwork and head weaving gets better, but it doesn't mean you're a better boxer. It just means your style has changed because you had one of your primary defensive tools taken away.

    In the NBA of the 80's and 90's, most of today's guards wouldn't be all stars and maybe not even rotation players. That's not to say that guys like Steph Curry and Russell Westbrook aren't talented players, it's just that their games are very much tailored towards today's rules... rules which heavily favor offense over defense.

    Today's game is much less physical and the rules are much softer than they were in years gone by.

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