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    And Iraq. I knew I'd have to spell it our for you.

    The more I find out about it the less I see any actual timelines -- and it looks like the Us will still keep large amounts of troops very nearby in other middle east bases. It remains to be seen how serious anyone is about this.
    Idiot...you are ing about a timeline right now.

    They've never given timelines nor did they promise any...and now you are seeing on in progress...one set by the provisional government...and all you are doing is ing about it...

    You have no ing point to make...and the complexity of this situation escapes you completely...you are the dog that pushes back simply because it is being pushed, with no thought as to why you are pushing back.

    You are stupid.

    There are so many forces at play here that it can't help but be a moderate government....Islamic or not.

    You have the Kurds, the Sadrites, the Sistanis, the Saddam loyalists, the Sunnis, the external influences like the Iran Islamiscists and Al Qaeda....

    The complexity of it blows anything we have ever had in this country away...


    You think that simply because it's an Islamic government it will embrace Iran and their strict doctrine...indeed that's probably what Iran thinks as well...

    But it's not going to work that way....about the time these Islamicists get some power, even the Iran backed ones, they are going to start looking at Iran as a threat to their power...they are going to want a division, they aren't going to want to be subordinate to Iran.....and many of the Iraqi Shia's are not Pro-Iranian.

    It's a Democratic process and you can be as cynical about it as you like...but the one thing they all want(at least according to their own words) is for the US to be out...that issue will force compromise.

    To tell you the truth...I don't think Al -Qaeda wants us to leave...they have long stated that their intention is to do to us what they think they did to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan...break us. But of course they weren't the major reason for it...

    I wouldn't be surprised if Iran wants us stuck there as well...


    It's just too complex of a situation to predict what will happen there and anyone that thinks they can is a fool...

    This process will either establish a national iden y or else it might indeed lead to civil war...which gurantees at least 1 new US ally.


    As for having bases in other Mid-East countries....who gives a ?

    Some of those countries want us there en masse...especially the tiny ones like Qatar and Kuwait....because we are the only defense they have from the bigger countries.
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    No, I posted inconsistencies in what the administration and its cabinet were saying from August 2002 to May 2003 about Saddam's weapons capabilities, not liberals.
    Oh...I am well aware that you didn't post any of the liberal backtracking...nor would I ever expect you to do so.





    Also, Hans Blix was in Iraq at the time, and he was telling everyone that, despite his group of international inspectors’ best efforts, they had not found any evidence of a Iraqi WMD program.

    It wasn't his job to play detective...it was his job to supervise the destruction of the declared WMD...

    Guess what? He himself has never been able to verify that all the claimed WMD has been destroyed...he has gone on record as saying there were declared WMD that were never destroyed.


    In short Hans Blix is a ing tool, and when he lead the International Atomic Agency...it was a nuclear prolifieration bonanza.


    The UN is dirty...and your stance that all these terrorists are basically well meaning people that just need better understanding is insane and far detatched from the reality of this world.

    Take the blinders off Dan....you like conspiracies...why don't you just enterain for one second the idea that other countries besides the US conspire....Do that and a whole new world will open to you. Broaden your horizons and stop limiting yourself...the US is not the sum total of all evil in this world. Realize it.

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    Oh...I am well aware that you didn't post any of the liberal backtracking...nor would I ever expect you to do so.
    The key word is relevance. Clinton didn't take us to war on the 98' statements he made about Iraq, but W did take us to war, despite on-going UN WMD inspections in Iraq and doubts within circles in the CIA about the reliability of information provided by Ahmed Chalabi regarding Saddam's 'alleged' WMD program, which was then used as the foundation for the need to hurry to war in Congress.

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    Take the blinders off Dan....you like conspiracies...why don't you just enterain for one second the idea that other countries besides the US conspire....Do that and a whole new world will open to you. Broaden your horizons and stop limiting yourself...the US is not the sum total of all evil in this world. Realize it.
    I'll leave any conspiracy theories regarding the U.N. up to you ditto-heads. Personally, I think your heading up another un-realistic moment, moment.

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