Spurs: No one crediting how a 38 year old PF played through no AC?

[313]

Not that I personally know, but I've heard that gay male sex is twice as intense and steamy as straight sex. This could explain the reason for Jim's ability to perform at such a high level under harsh conditions.

[spurraider21]

What's Duncan's record head to head with Kobe...ohhh that's right Kobe 4 -1..now you can count the year Kobe tore his achilles if it makes you feel better ;-)

Kobe lost to Duncan in 99 and 03, and that doesn't include him hiding from us in '13

[ElNono]

What is this? The retired player's forum?

Tim is playing at a high level, like legends do... retired players are... retired

[313]

You see... this is a perfect example of how you guys distort reality to suit your fictional narrative. Duncan is 37 not 38, but you'll conveniently round up a year to boost Jim's not so legend legendary status. As a Laker fan, when I see you knocking at my back door I simply reach into my treasure chest and decide on which weapon to murder you with. I'll give you Ducan being 38 even though he's not. So let's compare him to Kareem and see how he holds up. At 38 Kareem was averaging 23 points a game while playing 33 minutes. In the playoffs that year he upped his game to 26 points per game all while playing 35 minutes. Although he didn't win a le that year... he did go on to win back2back the following years.

Now... as I search for Duncan's stats at age 38 I can't find any... so we'll just have to settle for his age 37 stats... ok? At age 37 Duncan averaged 15 points all while playing 29 minutes. In the playoffs he has averaged 16 points all while playing 32 minutes. Now... I know you asked Kool for his opinion on how great Duncan is playing at an age he's yet to reach... but I'll give you my opinion. For a guy that I thought would be in a retirement home just a few years ago I think he's playing well for today's standard of basketball. But when compared against the best he's just barely recognizable.

Kareem played 0 defense in his late years. SUre if DUncan saved all his energy for offense, he could put up those numbers, but you gotta play both sides of the ball in the NBA.

[Buddy Mignon]

Dirk and Nash are nothing but sub-plots to Kobe's story. At best Duncan was a supporting character. Kobe dominated an era going directly through Duncan. And there is no sports writer on the planet that can change that. At the end of the day its Mikan... Russell... Kareem... Magic... Jordan... Kobe... and now Lebron.

[Buddy Mignon]

Kareem played 0 defense in his late years. SUre if DUncan saved all his energy for offense, he could put up those numbers, but you gotta play both sides of the ball in the NBA.

Look at how stupid you come off. So Kareem played zero defense and still won les? And i dont see Duncan shutting anyone down you jackass. Even in his prime Duncan chose to allow Malik Rose, or Oboerto, or some other scrub guard Shaq while he rested on defense. Kareem always guarded the other teams big man. Defense is the most overrated part of Jim's game. He has never been a lock down defender like KG or Rodman or Hakeem. In fact... Robinson was a better defender than Duncan.

[Koolaid_Man]

Look at how stupid you come off. So Kareem played zero defense and still won les? And i dont see Duncan shutting anyone down you jackass. Even in his prime Duncan chose to allow Malik Rose, or Oboerto, or some other scrub guard Shaq while he rested on defense. Kareem always guarded the other teams big man. Defense is the most overrated part of Jim's game. He has never been a lock down defender like KG or Rodman or Hakeem. In fact... Robinson was a better defender than Duncan.

you show can be a mutha er

[Koolaid_Man]

I dont even have to do tonight cept sit back and watch Luva get off in some ass

[Buddy Mignon]

I dont even have to do tonight cept sit back and watch Luva get off in some ass

Every now and then you have poss some reality in these nerds face. Remind them who's boss.

[midnightpulp]

Look at how stupid you come off. So Kareem played zero defense and still won les? And i dont see Duncan shutting anyone down you jackass. Even in his prime Duncan chose to allow Malik Rose, or Oboerto, or some other scrub guard Shaq while he rested on defense. Kareem always guarded the other teams big man. Defense is the most overrated part of Jim's game. He has never been a lock down defender like KG or Rodman or Hakeem. In fact... Robinson was a better defender than Duncan.

You just can't stop being wrong.

I decided to go over the 01, 02, 03 Lakers/Spurs playoffs series to see who was primarily guarding Shaq and how effective they were in guarding him. I didn't go over every possession, but I decided to look at every FGA and turnovers forced that Shaq had in those games. I didn't get every game from that 01-03 span because youtube didn't have all of them, but I did get a majority of the games.

vs. Duncan: 21-49 (.429), 8 TOV (5 of them charges/offensive fouls drawn)

vs. Robinson: 31-63 (.492), 5 TOV (1 offensive foul)

vs. Rose: 15-27 (.556), 2 TOV (2 offensive fouls)

vs. Other big men (Bryant, Willis, Walker): 6-12, 1 TOV (1 offensive foul)

vs. Guards: 0-3

vs. open shots with no one guarding Shaq: 11-13

I also kept track of double teams both before the shot and double teams during the shot (sometimes both happened). I didn't count double teams that had no effect on the shot or soft double teams.

vs. Duncan: 11 before shot, 14 after shot, 20 total double teams (35.1% double team%)

vs. Robinson: 10 before shot, 15 after shot, 23 total double teams (33.8% double team%)

vs. Rose: 4 before shot, 5 after shot (33.3% double team%)

vs. other big men: 2 before shot, 3 after shot, 3 total double teams (23.1 double team%)

In 2003, The Spurs made a concerted effort not to double Shaq. They even mentioned it in one of the broadcasts where Popovich told them that they didn't want anyone else to beat them. In the other years, Shaq got a decent amount of double teams and very few triple teams. Most of the double teams I saw were soft and had no effect. Shaq was making his move by the time the double came.


Now here are the stats for who was guarding Shaq in the games Duncan/Robinson played (Robinson missed 1 of the games). This is why I started the project. I wanted to see if Robinson was the sole Shaq defender or if the Spurs took turns defending him.

Duncan 31.0%
Robinson 46.9%
Rose 19.3%
Willis 2.1%
Walker 0.7%

Stats show Duncan guarded Shaq 31% of the time when the Lakers played the Spurs, and that Shaq shot the worse against Duncan.

Oh, and about Kirby's "doberman defense," you might find this article interesting:

The more damning thing is that every metric I’ve broken down here has Kobe’s defensive impact as utterly average. -0.8, -0.6, 0.1, 0.1, these are not numbers of someone who is consistently a game changer on defense. The other guys given even half the love Kobe’s gotten over the year, pretty consistently do turn up on these metric doing quite well.

http://asubs uteforwar.wordpress.c...er-imaginable/

Like it or not, old man, advanced metrics are the new norm in the NBA and no one is taking more of a hit than your boy.

[Koolaid_Man]

You just can't stop being wrong.



Stats show Duncan guarded Shaq 31% of the time when the Lakers played the Spurs, and that Shaq shot the worse against Duncan.

Oh, and about Kirby's "doberman defense," you might find this article interesting:



http://asubs uteforwar.wordpress.c...er-imaginable/

Like it or not, old man, advanced metrics are the new norm in the NBA and no one is taking more of a hit than your boy.

hey Luva this is how you know this ain't played a lick of sports in his ing life...I mean he's never even touched a basketball real talk

[Buddy Mignon]

Only thing you proved is that y'all had six different mother er trying to stop one player. If Jim was so great he wouldnt have needed all that help.No matter how you try to slice it... it still leaves Jim on the losing end.

[Buddy Mignon]

hey Luva this is how you know this ain't played a lick of sports in his ing life...I mean he's never even touched a basketball real talk

Yup... this how they reply these days. Just look at ESPN... nothing but nerds with opinions... led by es. Figure that?!?!

[Buddy Mignon]

Oh... and they do play... somewhat. You catch these clown at 24 hour fitness late at night when true ballets are getting pussy.

[midnightpulp]

Only thing you proved is that y'all had six different mother er trying to stop one player. If Jim was so great he wouldnt have needed all that help.No matter how you try to slice it... it still leaves Jim on the losing end.

Robinson, Duncan, and Rose (a 6'5" player) are six players now?

The Lakers threw Shaq, Horry, JR Reid, etc at Duncan. Remember in '99 when Shaq said, "I want to guard Tim Duncan" and then got smoked?