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    Seriously? How old are you really?

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    It's OK if you are a teenager and haven't even grown chest hair yet. I might cut you a little more slack for being oblivious.

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    You met him just last summer

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    You met him just last summer
    Oops. Must have been the butter beer. Plus Maalox distracted me.

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    You're right. You didn't really say anything. Why bother responding? The reality is the Bennet hypothesis has not been proven so it was perfectly reasonable for WH to respond to WC by asking him to prove his assertion.

    You added no value. Just emotion.
    No, the value added was a point of view to cause more thinking.

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    Anybody that thinks that guaranteed loans don't influence tuition is ing stupid. Even worse is the huge amount of dollars that "education" mills like ITT Tech suck out of dumb asses that think borrowing $30,000 easy money for a 2 year "associates degree" in "computers" is gonna get them a real job just because they like to play video games.
    I agree with that in general, but ITT tech is a good route for people technically inclined to get good jobs. I have seen it. Some of the best people I have seen coming into automation that uses robotics have come from ITT.

    I think the real problem is that our education system indoctrinates. One of the ideas indoctrinated is that today, students think they can learn any field they with to work. It simply doesn't work that way with most field. The entire life experiences, and maybe genetics, makes people more suited for some fields than others. If there are an overage of people in such a field, the ones not suted for it may never find work in that field.

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    Bush, Obama, and all the other pieces of in DC should just nut up and foot the bill on this. They destroyed America and the economy with 9/11 and bull wars. They should have to pay out of their own pockets to fix this.

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    I agree with that in general, but ITT tech is a good route for people technically inclined to get good jobs. I have seen it. Some of the best people I have seen coming into automation that uses robotics have come from ITT.

    I think the real problem is that our education system indoctrinates. One of the ideas indoctrinated is that today, students think they can learn any field they with to work. It simply doesn't work that way with most field. The entire life experiences, and maybe genetics, makes people more suited for some fields than others. If there are an overage of people in such a field, the ones not suted for it may never find work in that field.

    Sweet Jesus WC. No, ITT is a terrible option for everybody. You have to use all but about 2000 of your legal loan limit that is meant for a bachelor's and all you come away with is a *nationally* accredited associates. I hate University of Phoenix, but at least you leave with less debt, and a bachelor's degree that is regionally accredited. But please, keep defending those thieves. Seems to be your M. O.

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    Did I say it was?

    Anyway, college isn't for everyone, especially now that it tends to reduce all but those who can already afford it to debt peonage.

    Is this really true, though? I finished my undergrad with an amount of manageable debt that is equivalent to buying a car. A nice car, but a car and not anywhere near the debt horror stories. I won't pay a time for my graduate education (and in many fields, no one should - mostly science and engineering though).

    People have low cost options for tuition closer to home. Its probably in everyone's economic interest to help those out with current crippling debt, but by the same token we need to tell students that going to a local state school and community colleges prior to that is a damn fine way to save a lot of money. You shouldn't spend 200k to go to an out of state private school that isn't even a very good school.

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    Sweet Jesus WC. No, ITT is a terrible option for everybody. You have to use all but about 2000 of your legal loan limit that is meant for a bachelor's and all you come away with is a *nationally* accredited associates. I hate University of Phoenix, but at least you leave with less debt, and a bachelor's degree that is regionally accredited. But please, keep defending those thieves. Seems to be your M. O.
    I've seen several good people with sharp technical minds use ITT as a way to get their foot in the door to great jobs.

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    Is this really true, though?
    it's the trend. it's bad enough that humanities majors should do the cost/benefit analysis instead of leaping in with both feet. community colleges are a good value, state schools less and less so.

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    it's the trend. it's bad enough that humanities majors should do the cost/benefit analysis instead of leaping in with both feet. community colleges are a good value, state schools less and less so.
    One of the best ways I've seen is to get the more common classes done in a community college, then go to a university.

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    You know what real student loan relief would be?

    Cap student loans for future students so universities have to lower prices.

    Slash interest rates on existing loans.

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    You know what real student loan relief would be?

    Cap student loans for future students so universities have to lower prices.

    Slash interest rates on existing loans.
    How about raising the GPA and SAT requirements to reduce the number who qualify?

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    You know what real student loan relief would be?

    Cap student loans for future students so universities have to lower prices.

    Slash interest rates on existing loans.
    Student loans are capped.

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    Federal student loans are capped for undergrads at around 50k and even getting that high requires meeting certain criteria. When you hear about people in dire straits, they have taken out private loans (and lots of them).

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    it's the trend. it's bad enough that humanities majors should do the cost/benefit analysis instead of leaping in with both feet. community colleges are a good value, state schools less and less so.
    Its not just humanities majors. Everyone should do that. Things definitely have changed in that a degree in and of itself doesn't open the doors that it did 30+ years ago. Now you need to have a useful degree. But earnings potential for all degrees is still much higher than those with just high school diplomas or lower. Students going in need to be given a dose of reality on what you should expect out of an education and maybe not as much "you can do whatever you want".

    Maybe college won't be as romantic as it has in the past and a lot more pragmatic, but it is what it is. I would like to see a really good analysis on the debt problems we have though. For all the supply and demand bull people like just toss around without actual proof, those people rarely mention the drastic reduction in state funding most ins utions have faced which has also contributed to tuition increases. Even so, there are affordable choices that will earn you a lot of money in the future even if you have to go into some debt now. Students will just have to make smart decisions.

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    The 37 Senators Who Today Voted for Millionaires Over Students

    Sen. McConnell continues to obstruct democracy in the name of special interests. Today these 37 senators joined him:

    Lamar Alexander (Tenn.)
    Saxby Chambliss (Ga.)
    John Cornyn (Texas)
    Michael Crapo (Idaho)
    Michael Enzi (Wyo.)
    Charles Grassley (Iowa)
    Orrin Hatch (Utah)
    James Inhofe (Okla.)
    John McCain (Ariz.)
    Mitch McConnell (Ky.)
    Pat Roberts (Kan.)
    Jefferson Sessions (Ala.)
    Richard Shelby (Ala.)
    Roy Blunt (Mo.)
    John Boozman (Ark.)
    Richard Burr (N.C.)
    Jeff Flake (Ariz.)
    John Isakson (Ga.)
    Mark Kirk (Ill.)
    Robert Portman (Ohio)
    Patrick Toomey (Pa.)
    David Vitter (La.)
    Roger Wicker (Miss.)
    John Thune (S.D.)
    Thomas Coburn (Okla.)
    Daniel Coats (Ind.)
    Dean er (Nev.)
    John Barrasso (Wyo.)
    Mike Johanns (Neb.)
    James Risch (Ind.)
    Marco Rubio (Fla.)
    Rand Paul (Ky.)
    John Hoeven (N.D.)
    Mike Lee (Utah)
    Ron Johnson (Wis.)
    Deb Fischer (Neb.)
    Ted Cruz (Texas)


    In the end, only three Republican senators stood with Democrats and the 40 million Americans plagued with student loan debt:

    Susan Collins of Maine,

    Bob Corker of Tennessee and

    Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

    http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/ite...-over-students

    All y'all rednecks and Repug fellators tell me again all fantastic stuff YOUR Repugs have done for America!



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    Why did Harry Reid vote no?

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    Why did Harry Reid vote no?
    why isn't HR in the no list?

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    I'm not going to take the time right now to read the bill, but here it is:

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...13s2432pcs.pdf

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    why isn't HR in the no list?
    Because your precious source lied and didn't include him. Here's the official record:

    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00185

    Don't you ever verify the bull material you post before posting it?

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    You assholes ought to know better than to mess with the great boutons

    Reid voted against as procedural tactic so the dems can bring the bill back over and over and over as they have promised

    . Be slapped. :LOL

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    You assholes ought to know better than to mess with the great boutons

    Reid voted against as procedural tactic so the dems can bring the bill back over and over and over as they have promised

    . Be slapped. :LOL
    LOL...

    Idiot. slap yourself.

    You didn't know that when you posted it, and it's at the bottom of your linked material. I was wondering how long it would take for you to discover the truth. Goes to prove you link stuff without reading or understanding what you link, just because is suits your beliefs.

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    I'm not good at legaleze, but it appears the bill:

    1) pays bankers the money defaulted on past private loans.

    2) creates another bureaucracy of peanut counters that loan ins utions must send personal data to.

    3) spend money to alert all borrowers of refinancing options.

    4) require borrowers to go to loan counseling (who pays for it?)

    5) Introduces a millionaire tax.

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