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    Roll The Dice Hook Dem's Avatar
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    Limiting our use by maximizing other energies is an option. I'm not saying we can stop using them overnight, but we can develop more ways to lower their use.

    Fuel efficent vehicles are number one.

    Solar cells to make buldings indepently operational are another.

    More wind power is another. So much land out in West Texas.

    Trust me, when this starts hurting the average American's pocketbook, there will be changes.
    Me thinks you are right!

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    I'll bet, if you check, the price of bicycles has already gone up and will continue to do so. We all sit here and cut each other up but that isn't going to get the problem solved.

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    there is no energy source that can take the place of oil in this economy within 5-8 years, people should really think about our dependence on oil and how it would effect our economy should oil continue to climb higher...

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    I'll bet, if you check, the price of bicycles has already gone up and will continue to do so. We all sit here and cut each other up but that isn't going to get the problem solved.
    That statement about bike prices has no basis in reality. I'll call you when I see a swarm of disgruntled commuters pouring into Bike Barn.

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    That statement about bike prices has no basis in reality. I'll call you when I see a swarm of disgruntled commuters pouring into Bike Barn.
    Stay tuned! It's still early. Thanks for the idiot sign. Thats the norm on this forum.

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    Did anyone see the "do entary" that (I think) FX Network ran a while back called Oil Storm? Things these days are eeringly parallel.

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    I did....you are right.

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    I don't feel sorry for American consumers. Look, I am one. The higher prices suck. For me, the only short-term solution is to cut out unnecessary trips. The medium-term solution is to buy a more fuel-efficient vehicle next time. The long-term solution is to move closer to work.

    There's not going to be some magic solution that saves us all and lets us live in the carefree 1990's forever.

    Hey, us conservatives especially have nothing to about. Our argument always has been to let the market sort these things out itself. That means once something becomes scarce and the price es, we let the entrepreneurs innovate alternative solutions once they become economical. Once those other technologies start to mature into commodities, the price levels off again.

    Liberals have said for years that we needed to start using alternative technologies ahead of time even though they were more expensive, because once the wall hit, it would hit hard. We said, no, that's less efficient; we should take advantage of the cheap energy as long as it lasted, and implement other solutions once they paid for themselves.

    We believe in free markets; we believe that the short-term pain is worth it once we get the long-term benefits, and we believe this way works better than letting the government manage the economy for us. Right now is the hard part to get through.

    We aren't en led to our huge vehicles that let us put each child six feet away from one another so they don't fight and have individual DVD screens to keep them placid. Our grandparents got by without them, and everybody else in the world gets by without them. We'll get by without them, too. If you still want the convenience and luxury of those things, you'll have to pay for them.

    It may be that some other "conservatives" (read: idiot white trash redneck Southern "Christians") lived in some dream world where gas would be cheap forever and Jesus promised that the righteous all would drive Tahoes and Expeditions to raise their kids the Christian way, or that the Rapture would come become we ran out of oil or whatever. Perhaps you figured that since the world was created in six literal days and that evolution is a Satanic lie, that this whole talk of petroleum, gas, and coal coming from dead animals is a Satanic liberal lie too, and that oil really is just an endless gift from God like manna. Well, I don't feel sorry for you either. Forget your fuel consumption; I'm indigant that a brain as feeble as yours is using up valuable oxygen.

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    Great post.

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    I'm not a propogandist but I saw this do entary at work a few weeks ago called The End of Suburbia that might be of interest:

    http://www.endofsuburbia.com/

    It's a bit sensationalist but it touches on alot of what has been written in this thread.

    Funny post, Extra Stout.

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