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    Eh, I'm not touching this thread with a ten foot poll. Assholes like this are why it makes arguing against the death penatly so ing hard.
    Ditto.

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    Why should the taxpayers have to pay for this moron's upkeep for the rest of his worthless life?
    Ive posted on this before, it costs Texas taxpayers MORE money to execute someone than to give someone life in prison. I am for the death penalty, so I think his punishment is deserved, but this particular themed fallacy needed addressing.

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    Regardless of which is more expensive, they both need work.

    Life in prison should be pretty cheap on Joe Taxpayer's wallet. How expensive is oatmeal and water 21 times a week?

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    Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind

    i agree with you on this but would you still feel the same if it was your sister or mother that was "accidentilly" shot? its just to difficult to try and understand how the loved ones were effected. perhaps we should let the loved ones decide the fate of the "evil doers".

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    Regardless of which is more expensive, they both need work.

    Life in prison should be pretty cheap on Joe Taxpayer's wallet. How expensive is oatmeal and water 21 times a week?
    Yes, I wish people would undestand that a disapproval for the death penalty does not equate an approval for an easy life in prison.

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    Yes, I wish people would undestand that a disapproval for the death penalty does not equate an approval for an easy life in prison.

    but it usually ends up that way doesnt it?

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    Some things can be worse than death. I would probably prefer to be executed rather than worrying about my cornhole for the rest of my life.

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    i agree with you on this but would you still feel the same if it was your sister or mother that was "accidentilly" shot? its just to difficult to try and understand how the loved ones were effected. perhaps we should let the loved ones decide the fate of the "evil doers".
    Even in that situation, I would still like to see them suffer. It may seem weird, but dying is just an easy way out for a murderer. I say give them the rest of their life to deal with what they did.

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    i agree with you on this but would you still feel the same if it was your sister or mother that was "accidentilly" shot? its just to difficult to try and understand how the loved ones were effected. perhaps we should let the loved ones decide the fate of the "evil doers".
    Bad idea. Very bad idea. I, for one, know that I would be completely emotional and irrational if I had to determine the fate of the murderer of my loved one. I would very likely go completely over the edge and want to inflict indescribable pain and suffering on them. These things should always be decided by those that are not emotionally involved and can therefore apply the law with a rational and clear-headed mind.

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    Even in that situation, I would still like to see them suffer. It may seem weird, but dying is just an easy way out for a murderer. I say give them the rest of their life to deal with what they did.
    They should allow a life of torture for people that really deserve it. Child molestors, serial killers, mass murderers, etc. The correctional facilities should be allowed to hook their genitals up to car batteries, burn them with acid, and other painful methods of torture. Death is an easy way out for most criminals, they should have to really pay for what they've done.

    I'm not saying torture is okay for all criminals, just the ones that deserve it.

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    They should allow a life of torture for people that really deserve it. Child molestors, serial killers, mass murderers, etc. The correctional facilities should be allowed to hook their genitals up to car batteries, burn them with acid, and other painful methods of torture. Death is an easy way out for most criminals, they should have to really pay for what they've done.

    I'm not saying torture is okay for all criminals, just the ones that deserve it.
    Make them want to die, beg to die, but never let them get off that easy!

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    texas is too gung ho on the death penalty. It should be reserved for the most brutal murderers....like the BTK Killer and the last few guys that recently raped and bludgeoned children in Idaho and Florida. Sounds like this guy Espada just snapped. He's still a murderer and should spend his life behind bars, but the death penalty is too much.
    In Mexico look at the value of life? WHY? Because in Mexico you can go on a shooting spree and the WORST you will get is chilling with your Home boys with 3 square meals a day.

    BTK Killer trial was not in Texas each state handles death except for Federal Crimes.

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    In Mexico look at the value of life? WHY? Because in Mexico you can go on a shooting spree and the WORST you will get is chilling with your Home boys with 3 square meals a day.

    BTK Killer trial was not in Texas each state handles death except for Federal Crimes.
    I don't know why you're bringing up Mexico, but as far as your point about each state handling it's own death penalty policy.... no disrespect meant, but...DUH!!

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    Bad idea. Very bad idea. I, for one, know that I would be completely emotional and irrational if I had to determine the fate of the murderer of my loved one. I would very likely go completely over the edge and want to inflict indescribable pain and suffering on them. These things should always be decided by those that are not emotionally involved and can therefore apply the law with a rational and clear-headed mind.

    so you would be ok if they just let him go??

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    They should allow a life of torture for people that really deserve it. Child molestors, serial killers, mass murderers, etc. The correctional facilities should be allowed to hook their genitals up to car batteries, burn them with acid, and other painful methods of torture. Death is an easy way out for most criminals, they should have to really pay for what they've done.

    I'm not saying torture is okay for all criminals, just the ones that deserve it.

    only prob with that is that now you are no better than they were. also if you argue for life...which im not sure you are doing but still, then torture is just as bad as the act its self...its just to dam hard to figure out. where is the higher authority, as written in all of the religious text, when we need it?

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    The death penalty has a purpose in today's society. It removes a select group of people from that society in a way that no jail or prison can. Debating the cost of a death sentence to one of life is irrelevent when the difference is no where near vast enough to even warrant debate. If money was such an issue with determining each convict's sentence, then we'd be left constantly in a state of shortening sentences for finacial reasons. All though finances have limits, justice should not. When an individual is soley to cause harm to society or any other individual they come into contact with, their ability to cause that harm must be taken away. A death sentence is 100% effective against this once carried out.

    Sure there is always a chance the innocent may be convicted wrongly. I don't know of a system that could ever be 100% accurate in defining who is guilty and who is innocent. Such a system may simply not be possible. Compare how many people are accidently shot by police to those who were wrongly convicted and executed. Obviously many times more people have been killed by police than have been wrongly executed. What does this tell us? Should cops have their guns taken from them because there is a risk they might kill someone wrongly? Or is the risk of killing an innocent person one we as a society are willing to accept in order to protect the majority?

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    Luke Scott was a good customer of mine at Office Depot, when I found out, I was a little shocked!


    I hope that Esparza get it from Bubba every day until they give him the dead juice!

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    so you would be ok if they just let him go??
    of course not! what in the gave you that idea? Since sentences have never been determined by the victims family (in any modern society) you must be under the impression that all murderers have been walking away scot free.

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    of course not! what in the gave you that idea? Since sentences have never been determined by the victims family (in any modern society) you must be under the impression that all murderers have been walking away scot free.

    it was rhetorical, i was just trying to make a point on how these kind of decisions can never be simple.

    settle down!

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    I think the only point anyone has successfully proven is that the death penalty is way too big of an issue for us to come up with an answer to while we sit browsing a forum.

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    Bad idea. Very bad idea. I, for one, know that I would be completely emotional and irrational if I had to determine the fate of the murderer of my loved one. I would very likely go completely over the edge and want to inflict indescribable pain and suffering on them. These things should always be decided by those that are not emotionally involved and can therefore apply the law with a rational and clear-headed mind.

    I agree with you one hundred percent on this point.
    I can't even be rational when imagining a "what if" situtation. Just the thought of someone hurting a person I love... there aren't words.

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    I just wanted to say that the justice system still works. What Espada did deserves death. Regardless of a troubled childhood, domineering parents and other unknown facts; we choose to do what we will. Automatic appeals are necessary to finalize the job, yet it's hard to get a death decision change into life. I feel for all parties, Ramos, Scott and even Espada. What a waste of life!
    Last edited by CGill_1977; 08-26-2005 at 11:04 AM.

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    I heard that on the radio. I also heard the funniest . Some satellite company will give people who live in the Corpus Christi area 10 years of free satellite if Corpus changes their name to Dish.

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    I heard that on the radio. I also heard the funniest . Some satellite company will give people who live in the Corpus Christi area 10 years of free satellite if Corpus changes their name to Dish.
    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23883

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