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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Damn mother er, where have you been? We thought you died!

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    hahaha I got a job and my old computer died with spyware/viruses, (I learned my lesson about DL'n "stuff" off of Kazaa.

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    im gonna settle this. i used to work at d and b and yes they dont let you know how it works right until the end on purpose. and the guys that you shoot against are called techs. all they do all day is fix games and play them. including the basketball games. in fact the hoops ares smaller just to throw off your game. its kindda sad how d and b treats their customers. now am i saying what they did is illegal? no, but its not right and believe me they will probably get a good run out of that autographed jersey before anyone wins it, if at all.

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    im gonna settle this. i used to work at d and b and yes they dont let you know how it works right until the end on purpose. and the guys that you shoot against are called techs. all they do all day is fix games and play them. including the basketball games. in fact the hoops ares smaller just to throw off your game. its kindda sad how d and b treats their customers. now am i saying what they did is illegal? no, but its not right and believe me they will probably get a good run out of that autographed jersey before anyone wins it, if at all.
    That's what I'm saying.

    It's not illegal, but it's definitely scammy. (Yes this my second time using the word in this thread .. I know it probably doesn't exist.)

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    im gonna settle this. i used to work at d and b and yes they dont let you know how it works right until the end on purpose. and the guys that you shoot against are called techs. all they do all day is fix games and play them. including the basketball games. in fact the hoops ares smaller just to throw off your game. its kindda sad how d and b treats their customers. now am i saying what they did is illegal? no, but its not right and believe me they will probably get a good run out of that autographed jersey before anyone wins it, if at all.
    When do they do this contest, I want to tell my friend about it. I don't know if he could win it, but he could give the tech a good run.

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    That sounds pretty unfair, but at the same time places with games like that usually do make them skewed. Dave and Busters is basically a glorified carnival.

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    That sounds pretty unfair, but at the same time places with games like that usually do make them skewed. Dave and Busters is basically a glorified carnival.

    heavy on the freak show element!

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    heavy on the freak show element!

    So you are a glorified carny... J/K

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    not anymore i had my third arm removed.

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    I own that basketball game at d and b...sssssssssssss

    I am on my way to pick up that jersey.

    Sheyitt.

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    It's not a scam. If you are good enough to beat the employee, you'll win. So beat the employee and win the jersey.
    That would be like entering a some drawing for a TV set at Best Buy or something and a Best Buy employees wins.

    Or you go to a bowling alley and enter a tournament a find out you are going to play against the owner of the lanes after you sing up and pay your entry fee.

    Or you go to a carnival and play ring toss head to head with a carnival employee....who always seems to win.

    Vasner is right....you have a better chance at ring toss at the county fair or something.

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    your ass.....

    Its called a challenge.. Bringing down the house champion.... It ain't like the employee won the prize.....

    Only wusses complain, how bout practicing and taking your ass up there and give it a shot...

    I declare Bull on the scammage.

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    That would be like entering a some drawing for a TV set at Best Buy or something and a Best Buy employees wins.
    Except this was a game of skill not a drawing. And the employee didn't win anything.

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    your ass.....

    Its called a challenge.. Bringing down the house champion.... It ain't like the employee won the prize.....

    Only wusses complain, how bout practicing and taking your ass up there and give it a shot...

    I declare Bull on the scammage.
    Not if the contest is "customers only".

    If you are supposed to bring down the house champion, fine.....you need to inform the paying public as such.

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    Except this was a game of skill not a drawing. And the employee didn't win anything.
    Neither did the customer.

    That wasn't a good analogy.....true.

    But people put in money to enter the contest and expect a legit chance to win something and find out no customer won the item.

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    If they said that you'd face a ringer, fine. But, withholding that information is blatant deception. The people paid money thinking they'd be playing against other customers. But, at the last second, they bring out someone who does nothing but play the game all day long. That's deception, and yes, scammy (there you go, Kori).

    Bring out the ringer -- but say that's what you have to beat. I'm sure the same amount of people would enter. Just don't dupe them into it.

    (edit -- essentially, I said the same thing as cherylsteele -- didn't see it til just now, though)

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    It's a skill compe ion involving shooting a basketball at about a free throw distance. Unless Rick Barry is eating dinner in there, I'd feel I could beat anyone in the building, employees included.

    And if I lost, I'd deserve it.
    I'm guessing it the hoops by the door. They seem to be standard 3 point range.

    Either way, I agree. It's a skill compe ion, and as I said earlier shooters with range are a dime a dozen at D&B.

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    Caveat Emptor.

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    Dave and Busters is basically a glorified carnival.
    dont compare my business to them.

    Our business has much better looking workers, we are far more proffessional.

    That is all.....

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    That would be like entering a some drawing for a TV set at Best Buy or something and a Best Buy employees wins.

    Or you go to a bowling alley and enter a tournament a find out you are going to play against the owner of the lanes after you sing up and pay your entry fee.

    Or you go to a carnival and play ring toss head to head with a carnival employee....who always seems to win.

    Vasner is right....you have a better chance at ring toss at the county fair or something.
    The house always gets the odds when they're ponying up the prize, be it at T Park's carnival games, Dave and Busters, and of course the capital of all disposable income, Las Vegas. They're in it to make money, not run a charity.

    Look, the contest was limited to 15 customers when the prize is worth anywhere between $499 (link) and $899 (link). Even if they paid $20 a piece to enter the contest, that's only $300. I can understand if the contest was for unlimited entry and the person with the best score got the jersey.

    This is the same place where you have to charge a card to play games, and then they make all the gaming credit prices strange numbers so that eventually you're stuck with a card with not enough money to play a game. The only way to rectify this, obviously, is to cough up more money and recharge the card. If you don't, D&B just made a little extra for themselves without doing a thing besides inconvienencing their clientele.

    Vashner, I apologize for saying you lost to the fry cook. You were smarter than the 15 people who got suckered in, anyway.

    edit: I still stand by that it's their right to have some tech that works there join the contest.

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    The house always gets the odds when they're ponying up the prize, be it at T Park's carnival games, Dave and Busters, and of course the capital of all disposable income, Las Vegas. They're in it to make money, not run a charity.
    Charity is one thing but people are paying for the chance to compete with other CUSTOMERS.

    That being said....I rarely play those games, when I do it is for the fun and I really don't expect to win anything. I have played skeebal and gotta stuff like a deck of cards and such. I play those games for the fun not the prizes.

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    Look, the contest was limited to 15 customers when the prize is worth anywhere between $499 (link) and $899 (link).
    I guarantee you they did not pay that for the prize. If they are a Spurs sponsor (and I'm pretty sure they are) they probably got the jersey for free.

    And I'm not so sure it's NOT illegal... There are laws about disclosure for prizes and contests, etc. That's why there always has to be so much legal fine print on any contest, even the ones where you don't have to pay to enter.

    Vashner, you should consider writing some kind of Investigative reporter at a TV station.

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    I guarantee you they did not pay that for the prize. If they are a Spurs sponsor (and I'm pretty sure they are) they probably got the jersey for free.

    And I'm not so sure it's NOT illegal... There are laws about disclosure for prizes and contests, etc. That's why there always has to be so much legal fine print on any contest, even the ones where you don't have to pay to enter.

    Vashner, you should consider writing some kind of Investigative reporter at a TV station.
    I never said they paid for it. But it's their jersey. They can do whatever they want with it. I just don't get why everyone thinks it's a big deal that an employee was entered into a basketball shooting game. He has to put the ball in the hoop the same way any of the other contestants do.

    If the rules were slanted toward the tech, like his baskets were worth more, I would understand the point. But you shouldn't even enter a 15 man contest based on basketball shooting if you don't think you're any good at it... especially if it involves a paid entry.

    I'm sure that at least some of those contestants had either played at that amusement before, had a hoop in their driveway, or maybe played a bunch in high school. Just because some kid that works there is part of the compe ion doesn't make him the second coming of Larry Bird.

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    You're missing the point altogether. Businesses have an obligation, whether legally or ethically, to be upfront with what they are selling. D&B sold a contest under the premise that contestants would be competing against other contestants.

    Basketball skills, value of the prize... those are completely irrelevant. All that matters is the entrants were mislead.

    The "employee" they entered was probably someone they knew could not be beaten, probably because he shoots on that machine every day in his spare time. I got damn good at Area 51 when I worked at the movie theater.

    I'm surprised so many of you are so quick to shrug this off. I mean, it's not a national crisis by any means, but you're acting like misleading customers is okay if they suck at shooting hoops.

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    You're missing the point altogether. Businesses have an obligation, whether legally or ethically, to be upfront with what they are selling. D&B sold a contest under the premise that contestants would be competing against other contestants.

    Basketball skills, value of the prize... those are completely irrelevant. All that matters is the entrants were mislead.

    The "employee" they entered was probably someone they knew could not be beaten, probably because he shoots on that machine every day in his spare time. I got damn good at Area 51 when I worked at the movie theater.

    I'm surprised so many of you are so quick to shrug this off. I mean, it's not a national crisis by any means, but you're acting like misleading customers is okay if they suck at shooting hoops.
    (1) If they suck at shooting hoops, they're idiots for entering a basketball compe ion based on skill.

    (2) I don't understand why it's a big deal for the employee to be entered. If the contest was over with, and the employee was allowed to match and beat the customers score, that would suck. But if he was in it and shot and competed with customers, and had to follow the same rules as the customers, I see absolutely no issue.

    D&B's phone number is (210) 515-1515. Call them up and if you feel someone's been slighted. I'm not being derogatory by any means, but those of you that think that this is a horrible business practice should sack up and complain rather than fighting with people like me about it.

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