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As crazy as it may sound, the current insanity there is certainly some proof of the post-Desert Storm wisdom to not depose Saddam in 1991 out of fear of, among other things, destabilization if the region. Sometimes perhaps dealing the evil you know is better than dealing with an unknown evil.
None of which is to suggest that I ever gave a thought to the idea that Saddam was anything other than an evil despot.
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Democracy and Islam don't appear to be a good mix.
Indonesia has more Muslims than any other country and is ethnically diverse and democratic. Although things are far from peachy, I'd rather live there than Russia (Orthodox Christian being the majority religion.)
Have always liked HW Bush and would vote for him over Hillary, Obama, Romney, etc in a second. Too bad his son was such a ing moron and drove this country into the ter.
Me too. He wasn't a great president, but he wasn't a tea bagging idiot. He was practical and level headed.
Bush 41 was by far the best president since Kennedy.
Same exact thing will happen in Lybia.
Obama is the one who deposed Ghadaffi, so the blood will be on his hands.
The only country where they not dare let this happen is Egypt. that is why they have reins uted the military there in power with help of the Saudi devils and Lord Obama. I guess because of the size of Egypt and proximity to Saudi/Israel they not dare let that country free.
Egypt will never be free ever again. US, Saudi and Israel are terrified of a free Egypt
When was Egypt free?
Right after the height of the Arab Spring. They had national elections. Unfortunately US/Saudi/Israel saw who won and took control of Egypt right back
Total BS.Right after the height of the Arab Spring. They had national elections. Unfortunately US/Saudi/Israel saw who won and took control of Egypt right back
What did we do to oust Morsi and his band of idiots?
He and his group screwed themselves and let Sisi back in.
The Muslim Brotherhood screwed up royally by trying to cir vent parliament and judges.
Sisi is brutal, but he has stabilized things. Pick your poison. We did not want Sisi taking over. But now we have to deal with him because Morsi screwed up so badly.
That's fine, but Iraq has one more critical condiment what makes it deadly: It's a Religion fueled war. As such, there's heavy involvement from outside actors on both sides.
Which is actually a major reason why this isn't going to get ever resolved unless one side is completely obliterated.
The Saudi kings paid 1 billion dollars to have the Egyptian army remove Morsi. Commander-in-Chief of Egyptian armed forces General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi who is also country’s defense minister, received a one billion dollar aid from Saudi Arabia for removing Morsi from power on July 3.
Obviously the US was in on it as they turned a blind eye to the massacres that happened when Morsi was ousted. Egyptian army banned all protests and murdered hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood protesters. They also put pretty much the entire Muslim Brotherhood in jail including the first ever democratically elected president of Egypt, Morsi.
Of course he has stabilized things, martial law and fascism have a way of stabilizing things
Where did the Arab Spring get Libya, Syria and Iraq?
When large gaps in leadership and ins utions are created (even by some very noble ideals), sometimes the most organized groups fill the vacuum. In many of these countries the most organized groups were fundamentalists.
Is this really not fairly obvious?
on that note...
Cairo is no longer the capital of Arab hope. It is now the capital of Arab despair. Or so it deserves to be, except that despair does not appear to be the dominant Arab response, and more importantly, the dominant Egyptian response, to the violent destruction of the Egyptian revolution by the Egyptian army. This is the Eighteenth Brumaire of Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. The army has now committed three massacres. Emergency rule has been declared. There are curfews and arbitrary arrests. A puppet civilian government has ratified all the general’s demands. The governance of most of Egypt’s provinces has been given over to the army. Mubarak is almost certainly laughing.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...r#primary-form
Morsi hired Sisi and put him in place. Sure he will take money when he sees Morsi totally abuse their cons ution.
The Saudi kings paid 1 billion dollars to have the Egyptian army remove Morsi. Commander-in-Chief of Egyptian armed forces General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi who is also country’s defense minister, received a one billion dollar aid from Saudi Arabia for removing Morsi from power on July 3.
Obviously the US was in on it as they turned a blind eye to the massacres that happened when Morsi was ousted. Egyptian army banned all protests and murdered hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood protesters. They also put pretty much the entire Muslim Brotherhood in jail including the first ever democratically elected president of Egypt, Morsi.
Of course he has stabilized things, martial law and fascism have a way of stabilizing things
The average Egyptian is damn glad where he is compared to many other places in the Middle East.
Come to your senses.
Oh, so what is Bengazi called, what about Allepo,Tripoli?
You can't be serious.
Sisi IS NOT a democratic leader. But he has kept order. Right now that is the place to be if you want to LIVE.
You think this is some sort of Euopean Switzerland gone bad? This is chaos and killing. On a large scale. Eygpt has avoided a huge catastrophe. What they got now is not good by Western standards, but that standard is ridiculous to even discuss. This is purely survival!
Get it?
and you are completely missing the point.
the point is US/Saudi/Israel will pick and choose which dictators to support and fund. This is to benefit their own interests. You seriously believe US/Saudi/Israel fund Egypt to the benefit of Egyptians?
US has been installing puppets and deposing opponents for decades.
answer me this. If the same chaos would happen if Assad is removed in Syria, howcome US/Saudi still want him removed?? Assad the only thing keeping Syria from being Iraq.
And again.
as I said above. US/Saudi want Syria's only stabilizing force deposed. Exhibit A of picking and choosing your dictators.
Which is exactly why we kept our butts out of Syria. That's Europe's baby. We know how bad Assad is/was. The question is always who will fill the vacuum when oppressive leaders are ousted. Eygpt had a military to keep some sort of order. We did not think Syria did, we wanted him gone, but we damn well knew things could get bad just like Iraq. Each situation is a bit different but I will post the following again until it sinks in....and you are completely missing the point.
the point is US/Saudi/Israel will pick and choose which dictators to support and fund. This is to benefit their own interests. You seriously believe US/Saudi/Israel fund Egypt to the benefit of Egyptians?
US has been installing puppets and deposing opponents for decades.
answer me this. If the same chaos would happen if Assad is removed in Syria, howcome US/Saudi still want him removed?? Assad the only thing keeping Syria from being Iraq.
What is escaping you concerning the above?
Do you see what ISIS is?
never disagreed with that. To the contrary.
Do you see what Assad is? what Saddam was? what Ghadafi was? US still deposed them.
do you know why? the 3 latter were not US puppets.
Exactly what do you not understand about my statement above?
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