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Hey, this is ST.
ST is no place for sensible logic like that, or weren't you aware?
sup 'Tres.
I can imagine KA supplanting Beli in the rotation, but I can't imagine that happening and Beli netting a first round pick in a trade. Without that sort of return, his residual value as injury insurance makes it extremely unlikely that he would be traded in the scenario you lay out.
Basically, if he plays well enough to attract a first round pick, he won't lose his place in the rotation. If he doesn't play well enough to keep his place in the rotation, he won't attract a first round pick.
Hey, this is ST.
ST is no place for sensible logic like that, or weren't you aware?
RJ extended for 4/$39m.... while it's true he walked away from guaranteed $15m in his previous deal, the extension was more than generous...
I'm sure Beli would love to get an extension like that...
a second rounder more likely. But i do think he could fall out of the rotation. The Spurs would probably still hold on to him for the rest of the season because of the depth it would provide at the 2 guard. Then again Beli +Ayers have $6.9 million in trade value, throw in Daye and thats about $8 million that they could bring back in salary.
If Kawhi gets his max extension and the Spurs resign Green, and Duncan and or Manu return, they would need to use an exception to bring him back. So I could see them potentially letting him walk if he gets a good offer.
Manu was expendable when he joined the Heat championship team and he got 20 mill in the offseason
I think Ferrari is safe
OTOH, they could wait until next summer to re-sign Kawhi, leaving caproom to re-sign Beli, and sign another player or two under the cap, then use Bird Rights to sign Kawhi to a new deal.
I hope the Spurs go that route. The maxing out Kawhi route would limit the Spurs ability to make major additions and Duncan and or Manu could always retire. They'd have something like $60 million committed to only 9 players (Kawhi, Parker, Anderson, Splitter, Mills, Diaw, Green [cap hold], LJC)
Going the Kawhi cap hold route would give the Spurs about $50 million including Kawhi and Greens cap holds (he's probably not getting much more than the $7.6 million cap hold for next season) along with LJCs rookie deal. They would have to renounce everyone excluding Kawhi, Green, Duncan and Manu.
If one of those two retire and the other takes a deal for around $5 million. Add in Belinelli for around the mid level salary of $5 million and the Spurs could have $11 million in cap space (with 11 players) if the cap jumps past the projected $66.5 million to $70 million because of the new tv deal.
For the right price I would say I would not mind them trading him, other than that I agree. You won't get the right price for him though, so he can stay.
Marco is NOT worth $5 million. He's a ty, ty player. , I'm finding it very hard to justify his current price of $2.7 million.
jeebus ing christ
Spurs offense revolves around creating space. Beli creates space with his shooting ability. He also has above average dribbling and passing for a 2/3. He's not a good defender, but that's not his role. He just merely needs to be an adequate defender in the Spurs defense. He's not getting traded BC he means a lot to the Spurs system.
I had Manu in mind for the $5 million dollar deal but thats probably a stretch for either.jeebus ing christ
Beli's gonna have to have one fantastic season to garner an MLE-sized offer. Room exception or less seems much more likely.
He could make $5 million in the NBA. The offseason was filled with role players getting over payed. The cap was $58 million when he first signed it could easily reach $70 million by the time he is an UFA. He actually turned down bigger offer to play for then Spurs then. The Spurs could always let him walk in the offseason but it as an estimate on my part.
Beli's value to the team is high. I don't know how anyone tht knows basketball can't see. On offense, he always has to be accounted for. That in itself creates space for Parker, Manu, mills even Anderson this year, to make plays. And if you don't account for him, game over. Also, as overrated as it may seem to some, his cuts on offense are great and needed to open the floor up. It moves the defense side to side. On defense, he's not going to shut you dwn. That is not what Beli is. Is he a below average defender? That's up for debate. All he needs to do is take space away from his man. The help defense is there for exactly that.....help. So I think beli is an excellent player for the spurs. And for everyone to say let him walk, I'm just curious to know who would fit better, and play like an MVP at that position?
I was taking into account the cap jumping past $70 million next offseason. Still that's probably too much for the Spurs to pay for Beli (i think he could get an offer from another team for around that). He is coming off, by far, his best season of his career. I don't think he would take less than $3.5 million per to return though.
Lots of variables. I suppose if Jodie Meeks gets over 6M per year, anything is possible.
they pretty much won the championship without him, he was a defensive liability out there so whatever he scored he pretty much gave up on defense. Spurs need playoff performers, some guys can step it up, others can't.
Belli is great in the RS, his game just doesn't seem to translate to the playoffs where it truly matters. He needs to really step up his defense this year. But Who knows, it could be that he needs just another year to learn the spurs system and he figures it all out.
I was one of the biggest Belinelli haters last year, I called his demise months in advance, but I don't mind having him on the team, as long as Pop stops playing him in the playoffs(which is what happened last year after the Mavs series)..
He's a good player during the regular season, where opposing coaches hardly game plan and strategize, tbh, so he doesn't get nearly as exploited on defense as he does during the playoffs..the Spurs are probably going to rest players even more than usual this season, so having a 40+% 3-point shooter helps(as long as he's stuck to the bench in the playoffs)..
He played well in the Portland series and shot 42% 3 pt overall in the playoffs. Clearly some match ups work better for him. He's good enough to start on a few NBA teams.
That seems a bit hasty. He did play very well against Portland (10 ppg, 43% 3pt in 21mpg). His minutes fell off when Kawhi got more minutes against OKC and Miami. He was a mess against the Mavs. Shooting 37% from the field and hitting only 9 shots in almost 100 minutes of floor time.
I think his defense varies between average and below average. His offense offsets that and most of the time still makes him a positive. Neal (in his final season) was awful on defense and struggled on offense. Belinelli was +9 in Net Rtg & +5 in the postseason. Neal was -7 and -8 Net Rtg from the regular season to the playoffs.
He role as the backup SF means come playoff time his minutes will diminish as the Spurs go deeper or how we match-up. He will have to produce with fewer minutes.
Who were you going to replace his minutes with? Should we have kept Gary Neal around? He played in 80 games last year and was second on the team in total minutes behind Duncan, all while shooting 48.5% (good for a 2/3) and with a league average PER. Yes, his defense leaves a lot to be desired but you can do a lot worse than him.
And since when is preseason performance a good indicator of anything?
gotta give props, you were comparing him to turkoglu down the stretch
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