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    Folks, this gas crisis is gonna get much worse than anyone is currently expecting...

    WASHINGTON (AFP) - At least 20 oil rigs and platforms are missing in the Gulf of Mexico and a ruptured gas pipeline is on fire after Hurricane Katrina tore through the region, a US Coast Guard official said.

    "We have confirmed at least 20 rigs or platforms missing, either sunk or adrift, and one confirmed fire where a rig was," Petty Officer Robert Reed of the Louisiana Coast Guard told AFP.

    All of the missing rigs were in the Gulf of Mexico, Reed said citing Coast Guard overflights of the area and information from oil companies.

    He could not confirm the location of the blaze but said it would "eventually burn out" and no fire-fighting intervention was needed.

    "We are of course working on the environmental side of things but right now we are still concentrating on search-and-rescue missions to save as many lives as possible on land," said Reed, whose own Coast Guard team has been evacuated from the flooded city of New Orleans to Alexandria, Louisiana.

    According to the latest tally Wednesday from the federal Minerals Management Service, a total of 561 platforms and rigs have been evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico, which accounts for a quarter of US oil production.

    Over 91 percent of normal daily crude oil production in the Gulf -- 1.5 million barrels -- is now shut down, and more than 83 percent of natural gas production, the MMS said.

    Among the firms reporting missing rigs was Newfield Exploration Company, which said an aerial survey of its operations in the eastern Gulf showed that one of its platforms at Main Pass 138 "appears to have been lost in the storm".
    Lost platforms and a large pipeline fire aside, the real shortages will come from the lack of refined gas..

    In response, the US government prepared Wednesday to open its emergency oil reserves for the first time in a year to keep supplies running to those refineries still operating.

    The United States keeps 700 million barrels of oil stored in four underground salt caverns on the Texas and Louisiana coasts to cushion oil markets during supply disruptions.

    The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which was created during the 1970s oil shocks, was last used after Hurricane Ivan in September 2004, when five million barrels of crude oil were released.

    "It's really getting critical in some situations," PFC Energy analyst Seth Kleinman said.

    "Until refiners are up and running, and pipelines have power and get product up here, it's looking very precarious," he said.

    The government said that Katrina, one of the most powerful storms ever to hit the United States, would have only a "modest" impact on the economy. But analysts were not so sure.

    As gasoline prices jumped across the United States, Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said the White House decided late Tuesday to tap the reserve following a request from the oil industry.

    "Last night I approved a company's request for loan from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. I fully expect that the details of that loan will be released later today," Bodman told a press conference.

    Industry analysts expected the oil to be shipped to refineries further west in Texas, which escaped unscathed from Katrina but are now running low on crude supplies because of production interruptions in the Gulf of Mexico region.

    At least eight refineries have been shut down on the coasts of Louisiana and Mississippi since Katrina roared ashore early Monday just east of New Orleans.

    Many other refineries are struggling to cope with shortfalls of crude caused by the closure of pipelines from rigs in the Gulf of Mexico, where oil production has ground to a virtual halt, and of major ports.

    Two of the Louisiana tanker terminals hit by the hurricane -- Port Fourchon and the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port -- combined handle more than 20 percent of all the crude oil imported into the United States.

    While additional supplies of oil will be helpful in keeping crude prices from reaching 80 dollars a barrel, the real supply constraints are with refined products made from crude, said Wachovia economist Jason Schenker.

    "There is no strategic government reserve of natural gas or refined products, and right now the biggest concerns in the marketplace are for products," Schenker said.

    "At the end of the day, it may not matter for gasoline and heating oil prices how much crude comes out of the SPR," he said.
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    One of the problems that is compounding the growingly dire situation in the Southeast is that many truckers work on specialized gas cards that use phone lines or frame relay to get authorization to allow the drivers to buy fuel. Most of the phone lines and frame connections in the southeast are down. Dispatchers are calling trucking companies asking if their drivers are even still alive. .

    Many major Truck Stop chains are simply out of fuel. Already.

    Most of the ones who are not out, are limiting the amount that can be pumped. That means that the drivers are having to hop from one station to another on tanks that are close to empty.

    There are numerous reports of price gouging. Several states have issued warnings against price gouging and given 800 numbers to report cases. The 800 numbers are swamped - if you call, all you get is a busy signal.

    The gas crisis is spreading throughout the SE.
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    Dan...shouldn't you be happy about the gas crisis? Isn't this just the thing to get the US off dependence on foreign Oil and petroleum?

    I don't see it as the end of the world...I see it as the beginning of the future...the US was never going to move forward in transportation technology until forced to do so...why should they when petroleum is such a cheap an efficient fuel source?

    Necessity is the mother of invention...remember that old American adgage for it has always been true with this country...

    Well now it isn't comfortable to keep using Oil...and now the American technological impetus can be focused on alternative energy sources out of necessity, instead of it just being a hobby....this makes all the difference in the world when looking to expedite the process of getting off Oil...

    To tell you the truth...dependent on Oil is dropping this county behind many other technologically advanced countries...it's going to end up being a positive...for America...for the environment..for the world political climate.

    It's a good thing...I hope it never drops below $4.00 again.

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    Whott, if we don't get those trucks moving fast the next crisis we will be talking about is the price gouging of food in the SE. Most metropolitan areas only have 7 days worth of food.

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    Well that's a short term problem...I am looking at things in the longterm.

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    Look I'm not trying to push the panic button here, Truckers I have chatted with online today say that they expect diesel fuel shortages soon, and if that happens, food will not be getting to the stores or will be severly gouged.

    If there is any truth to this rumor, perhaps it might be a wise thing to lay in some canned goods and staples. If it does not come to pass, you aren't out anything as you needed to buy that food eventually anyway.

    Fair warning.

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    I have this strange feeling that we will not have food shortages in Texas.

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    I have this strange feeling that we will not have food shortages in Texas.
    You go with that then.

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    I know there are a bunch of wild rumors that sometimes turn out to be , I will personally heed Dans advice as it can only help me. The problem is, what about the people who don't get the advice, and I'm hording all the food.

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    I know there are a bunch of wild rumors that sometimes turn out to be , I will personally heed Dans advice as it can only help me. The problem is, what about the people who don't get the advice, and I'm hording all the food.
    This is why I encourage everyone to take only what you need. dry goods and canned foods will last a long time once this immediate crisis is over. There is no need to hoard perishable like milk, meat, and bread. These items have short expiration times and there are no guarantee that your freezer will not have power interupted.

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    I know there are a bunch of wild rumors that sometimes turn out to be , I will personally heed Dans advice as it can only help me. The problem is, what about the people who don't get the advice, and I'm hording all the food.
    More like all of them are rumors that turn out to be . Then the truth or rumor is then bent and twisted somehow to get a far fetched I told you so.

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    Canned goods?

    that...If food gets tight I am going to go buy me about 25 chickens and a load of rice. I'll be a an Egg and Rice eating mofo.

    If I need more meat I am going to get on my bike and take my 30/30 out to the hill country and go hunt for deer and feral pig.

    Sheyitt.

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    If I need more meat I am going to get on my bike and take my 30/30 out to the hill country and go hunt for deer and feral pig.
    I would love to see someone on a bicycle with a side scabbard for a model 94.

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    More like all of them are rumors that turn out to be . Then the truth or rumor is then bent and twisted somehow to get a far fetched I told you so.
    Once again, there is no food shortage. What we could have here is a hick-up in the distribution system that is now rumored to be effecting the SE and could possibly spread through the NE, in particular because they get so much oil from Louisana, especially diesel and heating oil, but it could easily spread into the South. We are not immune.

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    I would love to see someone on a bicycle with a side scabbard for a model 94.


    I'll put it in my fishing rod cannister....


    Getting the hog or deer back home will the be the pain in the ass.

    it...I'll probably just go fishing.

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    I would just walk to one of the close by pastures and ride a cow back home and then slaughter it.

    Dan, you are nuts. How will Texas suffer a food shortage? In case you don't know, Texas has a large agricultural base.

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see shelves emptied pretty fast in areas where there are relocated refugees. Just temporary though.

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    I would just walk to one of the close by pastures and ride a cow back home and then slaughter it.
    ...and then I'd shoot you for stealing my cow!

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    What if I just shaved a few pounds of steak from the sides?

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    Dan, you are nuts. How will Texas suffer a food shortage? In case you don't know, Texas has a large agricultural base.
    Look, this is getting all twisted around. The price of oil is tied into everything. The interpedency on gas prices on everything guarantees we will soon be paying more for everything.

    We lost 1 million barrels per day in refining capacity when Katrina destroyed NO. That's diesel oil, gasoline, heating oil, almost everything that requires refining is no longer being produced and probably will not be produced for months. So what happens when the short-stock currently in supply runs out? Supply shock, until we put in a workable plan in place to resupply this region with the gasoline and diesel fuel that would normally be produced in Louisiana.

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    We don't use hardly any petroleum for non automotive needs...

    Texas is probably second only to California in terms of alternative energy source implementation...we've got the second most wind fields, nuke power, solar energy, ethanol prodcution...

    Oh...and we sit on the second largest Oil field in the US...

    The rednecks aren't going to feel this very much.

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    Here's the thing, dan - the increased costs of things are from shipping. If it comes from here, it'll be cheaper here.

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    The price of oil is tied into everything, but San Antonio is near 2 major points of entry: Houston and Laredo. We're not going to have a shortage of anything here. Now in places like Denver or Atlanta, where their lines of import are cut off, they will experience short term pain but we're not going to have people starving anymore than we already do.

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