The more I watch Baynes....

**exstatic** · 11-16-2014

The nig used to go up for dunks. I dunno if Pop took him to the Splitter School of Being a Around the Rim or what.

Mr 43.6%.

**Biernutz** · 11-16-2014

Splitter does get blocked quite a bit (243 times in 318 career games) but has always been a very good finisher. When he came off the bench in the 11-12 season he finished 76% from 0-3 feet. When became a full time starter it dropped down the the mid 60's and his shot began getting blocked roughly 1 per game. Thats makes sense because starting big men tend to be bigger/taller and more athletic defenders.

There is some defensive issue there with Baynes,as well, but his finishing at the rim isn't new. He shot 43% from 0-3 feet last year. Thats laughably bad. Ricky Rubio shot 40% from the same range last season (obviously different players and positions but still..) He is at 46% this year from the same range. He also seldom get to the line, a Splitter specialty.

Comparing Baynes to Rubio. Really?

**DMC** · 11-17-2014

Big guys take longer to regain conditioning and Baynes hasn't been with the team long enough to have the thoughtless reflexes needed to do well with them in early season.

**100%duncan** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by TD 21

It's all relative. When Duncan was young and could credibly play both big positions on both ends and play virtually unlimited minutes all season, fourth big didn't matter much. In the absence of that, it matters, especially when one of the top three isn't durable and lacks stamina.

I didn't say I expect a fourth big to rebound at a high rate, I said I expect this particular one to, since that was supposed to be his biggest strength and considering it generally translates well from level to level and league to league.

That's debatable; what's not is that he's no better. There's nothing statistically to suggest anything to the contrary and he's not a Bowen type, where it's difficult to accurately quantify his value through stats. Ayres was at least respectable two seasons ago, something Baynes has never been.

How can it be relative? Having a prime big or an aging veteran doesnt change the importance of a 4th big to a team. It's objective.

You said Baynes should rebound at a high rate, Baynes is our 4th big. You said Baynes is not even good well because he's a 4th big, he was never meant to be good. In fact I challenge you to find a better 4th big in the league, and if you cant even name one then feel lucky that you have a starting big on a national team as your 4th big.

Errors was never considered respectable please. If that's respectable for you and stopping/banging with Howard in 13 or the portland series last playoffs arent then I dont know what to tell you anymore.

Also, you talk about debatability, well then let's make a poll here whether which player does spurs fans think is better errors or baynes. Im willing to bet all except you and exstatic feel the same.

**Sean Cagney** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by DapDaGenius

I miss Splitter.

We do, unfortunately he is hurt a of alot. Dude is good but he is as soft as burger buns.

**cd021** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by Biernutz

Comparing Baynes to Rubio. Really?

Obviously not a great comparison, but it shows how poor Baynes 0-3 feet FG % is around the basket so far this season.

**Biernutz** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by cd021

Obviously not a great comparison, but it shows how poor Baynes 0-3 feet FG % is around the basket so far this season.

The Spurs have played less than 10 games and in that time Baynes has made 3 of 5 shots 1 foot or less from the basket.
All of these shots were contested with the defense man 1 foot or less away. I feel dumb putting up these statistics because they don't mean much right now. Tell me after he has played in 20 games . Again ....you get what you pay for and for keeping Tiago's seat warm till he gets back his numbers are passable.

**exstatic** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by DMC

Big guys take longer to regain conditioning and Baynes hasn't been with the team long enough to have the thoughtless reflexes needed to do well with them in early season.

He

played

all

summer.

**DMC** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by exstatic

He

played

all

summer.

Not

in

the

NBA

**Maddog** · 11-17-2014

Cousins is a really bad mach up for him. He is just way too quick. Baynes is a decent 4th big. He shouldn't have to be out there against a player like Cousins. He's out there because of Injuries and Ayres not being up to snuff.

**exstatic** · 11-17-2014

DOINK!!!

**Johnny RIngo** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by exstatic

DOINK!!!

At halftime:

+5 Baynes
-5 Ayres

Jeff "negative impact" Ayres

Uh huh!

**spurraider21** · 11-17-2014

Ayres could be inactive and still end up with a negative +/-

**Robz4000** · 11-17-2014

Baynes has been fun to watch tonight

**cd021** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by Biernutz

The Spurs have played less than 10 games and in that time Baynes has made 3 of 5 shots 1 foot or less from the basket.
All of these shots were contested with the defense man 1 foot or less away. I feel dumb putting up these statistics because they don't mean much right now. Tell me after he has played in 20 games . Again ....you get what you pay for and for keeping Tiago's seat warm till he gets back his numbers are passable.

Of course, very small sample size. But looking back to last season its shows he has a bit of a pattern in not being able to finish at the rim. According to Basketball Reference he has attempted 74.3 % of his shot at the 0-3 feet. that's 2.9 attempts per game multiplied by 9 games and that's 26 attempts from that range so he is about 16-26 from that range (his % has increased to 62.5%)

Its an interesting stat but if he improves to around league then he could be serviceable on offense at least.

**Prose** · 11-17-2014

actually ive been happy with Baynes this year. he brings a big physical presence in the paint...and he can give you 6 - 10 points a night....and he can catch the ball.

**jeebus** · 11-17-2014

At least he doesn't shoot 36% from the field like a certain got does

**exstatic** · 11-17-2014

Originally Posted by Johnny RIngo

At halftime:

+5 Baynes
-5 Ayres

Jeff "negative impact" Ayres

Uh huh!

But he missed a DUNK. And he fumbled a pass.

MY GOD!

**spurraider21** · 11-17-2014