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    How the you wanna trade Kaepernick ?
    Fame and $$$$ does change some people, I see this with Kaepernick. I do have to question his football desire.

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    Fame and $$$$ does change some people, I see this with Kaepernick. I do have to question his football desire.
    That`s not an answer to my question. I dont give a what you see with Kaepernick. How you want to trade his huge contract with a lot dead money ?

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    YEAR BASE SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS INCENTIVE CAP HIT DEAD
    2014 645,000 3,022,444 - - 100,000 - - 3,767,444 13,730,456
    2015 12,400,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 17,265,753 9,963,012
    2016 13,900,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 18,765,753 7,497,259
    2017 16,500,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 21,365,753 5,031,506
    2018 15,000,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 19,865,753 2,465,753
    2019 18,800,000 - 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 21,200,000 -
    2020 21,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 23,400,000 -

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    That`s not an answer to my question. I dont give a what you see with Kaepernick. How you want to trade his huge contract with a lot dead money ?
    if he's traded this offseason (not that i see any takers for his contract) the dead money will still be significantly less than what the cap hit was. when the raiders dealt Palmer we were still paying him something close to 12 million when his cap hit would have been something like 16 iirc

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    trade sackorpick and a first rounder for derek carr and stop drafting rbs in the second would be a great way to start.

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    YEAR BASE SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS INCENTIVE CAP HIT DEAD
    2014 645,000 3,022,444 - - 100,000 - - 3,767,444 13,730,456
    2015 12,400,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 17,265,753 9,963,012
    2016 13,900,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 18,765,753 7,497,259
    2017 16,500,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 21,365,753 5,031,506
    2018 15,000,000 2,465,753 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 19,865,753 2,465,753
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    2020 21,000,000 - 2,000,000 - 400,000 - - 23,400,000 -
    Dear God, they haven't even gotten into it yet...

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    trade sackorpick and a first rounder for derek carr and stop drafting rbs in the second would be a great way to start.
    take that offer and stick it where the sun don't shine

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    trade sackorpick and a first rounder for derek carr and stop drafting rbs in the second would be a great way to start.
    To be fair, Hyde looks like a stud and should be a great replacement for Gore. It was worthwhile to take him there.

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    To be fair, Hyde looks like a stud and should be a great replacement for Gore. It was worthwhile to take him there.
    i think he looks awful tbh, and even if he was a stud, i don't see value in drafting rbs at all, when you get undrafted free agents that outplay them most of the time..

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    i think he looks awful tbh, and even if he was a stud, i don't see value in drafting rbs at all, when you get undrafted free agents that outplay them most of the time..
    How many games have you watched of the Niners tbh? All I've seen is you be super critical of them yet most of the non-Kraep related issues are garbage. This Niners draft class was extremely solid. Borland is an absolute beast, Hyde (while not as dependable as Gore yet) is great at getting short yards much like his predecessor, and the new TE (Carrier iirc) has had some great plays before being injured. You can knock on Kraep and the coaching staff all you like, but the FO has found talent.

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    i think he looks awful tbh, and even if he was a stud, i don't see value in drafting rbs at all, when you get undrafted free agents that outplay them most of the time..
    eh, yes and no.

    DeMarco Murray - 3rd round
    Matt Forte - 2nd round
    LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
    Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
    Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
    LeVeon Bell - 2nd round
    Adrian Peterson - 1st round

    sure you have an Arian Foster here and there, but but premier backs tend to be drafted relatively early. Gore himself was a 3rd

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    How many games have you watched of the Niners tbh? All I've seen is you be super critical of them yet most of the non-Kraep related issues are garbage. This Niners draft class was extremely solid. Borland is an absolute beast, Hyde (while not as dependable as Gore yet) is great at getting short yards much like his predecessor, and the new TE (Carrier iirc) has had some great plays before being injured. You can knock on Kraep and the coaching staff all you like, but the FO has found talent.
    Hyde does look good I agree. He hits the hole hard, and has another gear Gore doesn't have. Like you I'm not saying he's on Gore's level, but he certainly has nice upside to him.

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    eh, yes and no.

    DeMarco Murray - 3rd round
    Matt Forte - 2nd round
    LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
    Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
    Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
    LeVeon Bell - 2nd round
    Adrian Peterson - 1st round

    sure you have an Arian Foster here and there, but but premier backs tend to be drafted relatively early. Gore himself was a 3rd
    that doesn't mean there isn't better value than that at that time of the draft. Also, no rb can play without an offensive line consistently. I'm a huge believer in offensive line drafting.

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    That`s not an answer to my question. I dont give a what you see with Kaepernick. How you want to trade his huge contract with a lot dead money ?
    the $$$ ya little prick is what I'm saying....OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    How many games have you watched of the Niners tbh? All I've seen is you be super critical of them yet most of the non-Kraep related issues are garbage. This Niners draft class was extremely solid. Borland is an absolute beast, Hyde (while not as dependable as Gore yet) is great at getting short yards much like his predecessor, and the new TE (Carrier iirc) has had some great plays before being injured. You can knock on Kraep and the coaching staff all you like, but the FO has found talent.
    almost all tbh. i'm not knocking at the coaching or front office, they are great, but are making two critical mistakes that are killing them. For a team that makes the D their best offensive weapon, it's really weird to draft rbs that high and that often.

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    almost all tbh. i'm not knocking at the coaching or front office, they are great, but are making two critical mistakes that are killing them. For a team that makes the D their best offensive weapon, it's really weird to draft rbs that high and that often.
    They need a Gore replacement and he was the best choice in last year's draft. Besides, they also drafted great defensive players too. All they need is new secondary players and their defense is young again. At this point the main issues are offense though, specifically QB and oline.

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    eh, yes and no.

    DeMarco Murray - 3rd round
    Matt Forte - 2nd round
    LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
    Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
    Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
    LeVeon Bell - 2nd round
    Adrian Peterson - 1st round

    sure you have an Arian Foster here and there, but but premier backs tend to be drafted relatively early. Gore himself was a 3rd
    Marshawn Lynch is the only one with a ring (which isn't going to change) and it wasn't with the team that drafted him

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    Marshawn Lynch is the only one with a ring (which isn't going to change) and it wasn't with the team that drafted him
    thats like saying the chargers made a mistake by trading Eli for Rivers because Rivers doesn't have a ring but Eli has 2

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    thats like saying the chargers made a mistake by trading Eli for Rivers because Rivers doesn't have a ring but Eli has 2
    what? no. one is a trend showing the lack of return on investment with top RB prospects.

    the other is the Chargers trading away a top QB prospect who said he wouldn't play for them for another lesser QB prospect despite having a great QB prospect already on the roster.

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    what? no. one is a trend showing the lack of return on investment with top RB prospects.

    the other is the Chargers trading away a top QB prospect who said he wouldn't play for them for another lesser QB prospect despite having a great QB prospect already on the roster.
    You think the Vikings, Bears, and Chiefs haven't gotten proper return on their investment? Murray has an inability to stay healthy, but that could've been with any player drafted at any position. Bell is currently a monster, and Shady will probably have 1,500 yards from scrimmage in a year when his line was decimated. He's pretty much a 1,600 scrimmage yards per season back aside from the years when he explodes for over 2,000. As for Lynch, he was a risk prior to draft, and the Bills were unable to contain that risk, unlike the team that traded for him. But he was a 1,300 yards from scrimmage back on a very bad team in Buffalo.

    If you're going to judge proper return on investment in Superbowls, that's way too steep, and unrealistic. Only one of those trophies come out per season, and this is the ultimate team game. Which means you'll need more than just a star RB, or star QB to make it happen.

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    what? no. one is a trend showing the lack of return on investment with top RB prospects.

    the other is the Chargers trading away a top QB prospect who said he wouldn't play for them for another lesser QB prospect despite having a great QB prospect already on the roster.
    im saying you cant judge the RB's rings or lack of rings based on their draft situations ...

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    Their season started off with really bad vibes between Harbaugh, the GM, the owner, and the players. Too much drama. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they've have a down year. Also, they tied their cart to the wrong horse. Kraep hasn't done ever since teams started preparing for his legs more than his arm.
    It's surfacing that Jed York might have been responsible for all those locker room issues rumors. Looks like they didn't want to pay for a top tier HC so they bad mouthed him.

    49ers will
    - Possibly draft a First 2 Rounds QB to challenge Kaepernick
    - Likely to bring back Kaepernick with a new HC/system

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    It's surfacing that Jed York might have been responsible for all those locker room issues rumors. Looks like they didn't want to pay for a top tier HC so they bad mouthed him.

    49ers will
    - Possibly draft a First 2 Rounds QB to challenge Kaepernick
    - Likely to bring back Kaepernick with a new HC/system
    that's probably the right way to go. you cant really cut or trade Kaepernick, but you can definitely challenge him with a young QB. i'd imagine Colin would still open up as the starter, but he'd have a pretty short leash. same boat as RG3

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    take that offer and stick it where the sun don't shine
    I mean, it's the Raiders. They would do that trade in an instant.

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