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and you're robdiaz. Relax druggie.
Agreed, an interesting theoretical.
If Duncan and Manu retire, you make this trade in a heartbeat from a pure basketball sense. You're likely not competing in year 1 post-TD/Manu so why not create even more cap space ($8.4mm based on difference between rookie scale deal and TP's $13.4mm)? By year 3 of Parker's contract, Joseph is probably a better player and this would let you guarantee him a starting job. In a way, it would let them reload on the fly by being $25mm under the cap including cap holds with two $10mm a year types or a max + solid rotation guy. Risky strategy though and cap space would largely be shot once the Kawhi and Green deals are inked.
That said, there's an intangible value on keeping a player through the end of his prime or career / letting them retire with the same team. Compare Stockton to the taint Malone had by chasing a ring and failing with the Lakers. Also, I doubt whichever team lands #1 would make that deal - even the Knicks now that Phil is in charge.
and you're robdiaz. Relax druggie.
I know NY would have done that years ago. They really were that stupid. Not so much now. The spurs are the classiest organization in nba history, but as Carlito was told, their loyalty is gonna someday kill them. Parker wants to play for 20 years? I can't see this guy playing for 6 more seasons. No way. Do him like we did Bowen. Trade him away, have him stink up the joint and re-sign him back later. Besides, I would be afraid to trade baynes or bonner for a duke player. That duke curse is REAL.
No brainer but why does NY do it?
you and your ing logic
Everyone knows no one would trade the #1 pick for TP at this point in his career. That is obvious. But with regards to the OP's question, it's an obvious yes you would trade TP for the #1 pick. It's about the only time you could consider actually trading one of the big 3 (especially while Tim is still here) and even TP would tell the Spurs to pull that trigger if it was ever actually offered.
But it's not realistic so no point in really discussing IMO.
I do agree with this, but I think that the Spurs should still be shopping him and see if anything comes up. I realize that there are TP fans here and rightfully so but as a basketball standpoint going into the Future they should be looking to make a move. TP has had some great seasons and has been a huge factor for the Spurs, but that's all in the past now and it's scary thinking that TP is looking to play some Euro Ball once again this summer. It's just crazy thinking about him playing all summer when he can barely stay on the floor now even after a full summer's rest.
Again I know TP is loved here and he has earned that respect but I still think giving him that extension was not a good move, especially going forward.
The extension was fine and well deserved. Could it have been for less money? Ok, maybe for strictly basketball reasons you might be able to make that argument. But when you look at what other PG's in this league are making, plus the Spurs getting #5, it makes it pretty damn hard to point a realistic finger at the extension as a negative.
TP is the 7th highest paid PG in the league this year and when healthy he's still a top PG. But his contributions when the extension were signed up until now have been more than fair value. Despite being the 7th highest paid PG, there are about 6 guys right behind him (within 1M in annual salary) so he's really paid much more like the 12-14th PG in the league compared to the 6 in front of him which makes it even more ridiculous.
You can't trade any of the big 3 - especailly when Tim/Manu aren't retired and you want to compete for a le. Especially if you are getting to B2B finals without TP playing like a superstar (but he's still been very good). There's a business to this just as much as basketball and you don't go this long and have this much success just to turn around and ruin that. The only way you can do that is if you get an offer that is so stupid (Lebron, Durant, Anthony Davis, #1 pick, etc..) that you just can't say no. Since that isn't happening, I can't really see a scenario outside of Tim/Manu telling RC/Pop they are done after this year and TP giving his consent to get the best deal available to help them move on in one quick brush. I don't see that as realistic though since they are still chasing a ring and haven't been fully healthy.
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I agree with just about everything in your post, but the extension was signed after #5 at the beginning of August, 2014.
Yup - I didn't edit fast enough
I'm going to bump this in like three years.. I will get the last laugh!
btw, Green was not the player he is now back then and Shump was a very good prospect
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The 1st overall pick? You would have to consider that. An opportunity to truly get next the next Franchise Player. Also, point guard is one of the most plentiful positions in the NBA. Also, to get the Rookie Salary Scale in place for hopefully a primo player would open up other Free Agent possibilities. I think you have to consider it.
you don't do it unless you want to kiss the repeat goodbye and waste the last year of Duncan and Evita
Bonner for nothing in return is ok!
If the Spurs were open to trading Parker (I assume after the season) and presumably having next year being a retooling year I would think the Knicks or the Pacers (maybe Miami) would be the two teams. The Knicks are desperate to be good again and would probably be open to moving their lottery pick if it doesn't wind up being #1 or #2. Maybe the 3rd pick for Parker straight up (they would have to wait to the 1st for the trade to become official). As for the Pacers, Hill and Mahinmi (yes both former Spurs) for Parker would work and would save the Spurs $1.3 million next season, and more than $5 million in the season after.
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