So what's going to happen to Barry?

[ChumpDumper]

See, it's that quick and easy.

It never is....

[whottt]

If that happens, guess what, he doesn't play. It's that simple.

Again, use commonsense, why would the guy sign here if he didn't want to play a smaller roll, get less minutes. Do you think Pop offered him the starting job? No. o you think Pop promised him mintues to the moon? No.

Common sense isn't always a common commodity.

Finley knew he'd get more minutes in Phoenix, Minny, and even Miami. But he still signed here.

I don't doubt he thinks it can work....that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

What? Where you not around during the entire... I dunno... season? Barry had his worst year ever. He couldn't hit . Even in the playoffs, but for maybe 3 or 4 games, he stunk it up as well with his shooting.

Brent Barry lead the team in clutch FG% in the playoffs and regular season.
Links:
Playoffs: http://www.82games.com/playoffs/04SAS3E.HTM
Regular season: http://www.82games.com/04SAS4E.HTM


Second on the team to Manu in PPS in both the regular season and playoffs.
Links:
Playoffs: http://www.82games.com/04SAS4E.HTM
Regular season: http://www.82games.com/04SAS4E.HTM


Look...I am not going to argue about this just because you are to ignorant to ing know the way it is..

YOU must have missed all of last season...because had you been here you would already have seen the arguments I made on his behalf which were proven right.

Don't even start this Devin again...I said all season long that Devin made no difference in the teams performance...and after his injury I was proven right.

So either remove your lips from Devin's ass or go ing root for the Jazz...

My point was proved, and the only thing you can use to argue with me is ignorance of the facts.


Get it through your dumb ing skill that Barry is not a scorer...once you are able to grasp that it becomes much easier to appreciate what he brings to a team.

You do know Finley shot a lot better at the 3pt line than Barry last year.

You do know that Barry's 3 point shooting PCT in the playoffs was better than Stephen Jackson, Mario Elie, and Jaren Jackson ever shot, don't you? And better than all of Kerr's years except for his final season.


What did I say ? Did I say Barry was a scorer? Or did I say that when he took a big shot he usually made it?

[SenorSpur]

Oh I think the Spurs will entertain offers for Barry - as well as Rasho and Beno. They already have been doing that even before NVE and Finley signed. But I wouldn't trade Barry for someone like DerMarr Johnson.

I wouldn't recommend they give up on Beno just yet - especially after only one season. The kid had high marks during the season, despite a dismal showing in the finals. I'm of the opinion that he has shown enough skills to warrant letting him develop as a third PG. He can be he Mike Wilks of the team.

[whottt]

Finley = Steve Smith redux.

[Que Gee]

Devin being hurt helped a whole lot.

Devin not being hurt still wouldn't have changed the fact that he was the Spurs most reliable back up point guard and I would say even outplayed Tony as the PG in games 6 and 7.

[Que Gee]

If the Spurs hold this roster for the year, I'd be happy.

Agreed!

[ShoogarBear]

Finley = Steve Smith redux.

Interesting thought. Smitty actually had a decent first year here. We'll see.

Best part is, even if Finley is a complete bust, we have other options.










(You mean he might be as bad during the regular season as Barry was last year. . .)

[timvp]

Devin not being hurt still wouldn't have changed the fact that he was the Spurs most reliable back up point guard and I would say even outplayed Tony as the PG in games 6 and 7.

Barry never played point guard. Manu was the backup point guard. You can count how many times Barry brought up the ball in the series on one hand.

I like Barry (now) but Holt and the Spurs need to trim costs. Finley is younger and has potential to be a better fit. Finley also is due about half of what Barry is due.

It's simple math right about now.

[Solid D]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4827108

Thomas said that Finley is comfortable with the role Spurs coach Gregg Popovich offered him. Asked if that would mean playing 15 to 20 minutes per game, Thomas said it would be "honestly more than that."

"He probably will play the amount of minutes during the regular season that will allow him to be fresh and ready to go in the playoffs," the agent said. "I think Pop sees him being a main contributor, one of the guys contributing significantly to them winning a championship."

[nkdlunch]

nothing, this team can even afford their own personal clown to entertain their way to the championship

[50 cent]

No trades needed unless we can get rid of Rasho for some cap relief.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why trade a shooting guard who can start to the Nuggets? that.

[BigVee]

Why trade a shooting guard who can start to the Nuggets? that.

Many on this forum feel Barry was a bust last year, so why not deal him and let him stink up the Nuggets?

[beirmeistr]

nothing, this team can even afford their own personal clown to entertain their way to the championship

I thought Marks was gone.

j/k

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I say hold onto Barry because of the season he had, both the ups and downs. NVE and Finley still hold a few question marks surrounding them. For all the hoopla about Finley its not impossible that he could wind up in the doghouse like Barry did earlier in the year while he was struggling to pick up the defensive system. Pop won't give them minutes if they aren't playing D properly, we all know that. Not only that but Finley and Nick carry some injury concerns. I know they aren't going to be playing huge minutes, but as Tim Duncan proved two minutes into the Detroit game you don't have to be out there long to land wrong, or twist a knee, or something like that. If either of them were to lose minutes, either at PG, SG, or SF Barry would fill in great.

Throw in a few great performances in the playoffs, and he's worth keeping. Then you have to consider Finley's at times enigmatic playoff performances. He's been brilliant and dreadful in big games so who knows what to expect. In addition to that, while we'd be paying alot for Brent to do little, there's no shortage of teams out there who would die for the chance to have a player of his caliber for the money we're giving him. Why help the rest of the league?

[CaptainLate]

Bones' has had his 1 year grace period.... now lets let him play with a full year with the spurs under his belt. He'll be more comfortable, more relaxed, he wont have the burden on his shoulders of having to come out and "prove himself" because he was the lone "big acquisition " last off-season that was supposed to take the Spurs over the top...

And if that "big acquisition" wasn't around in Game 7 to replace Beans and spell TP, we might not be 3-0 in NBA Finals.

[Marcus Bryant]

Many on this forum feel Barry was a bust last year, so why not deal him and let him stink up the Nuggets?

Because he's better than anything else they can find this offseason.

[Marcus Bryant]

I say hold on to Barry at this point because he fits in the Spurs offensive system. He gives you a guy who can play significant minutes during the season and help keep guys like NVE, Manu, Bowen and Finley fresh for the postseason. Plus, he gives you a veteran shooter for the end of the bench.

[Que Gee]

Barry never played point guard. Manu was the backup point guard. You can count how many times Barry brought up the ball in the series on one hand.

I like Barry (now) but Holt and the Spurs need to trim costs. Finley is younger and has potential to be a better fit. Finley also is due about half of what Barry is due.

It's simple math right about now.

You've gotta be in kidding me right now? Ya, your right, he barely played any point guard.

Second, I love how everytime the Spurs sign someone its the new "savior." Steve Smith, Hedo, Barry, Finley, NVE...or whatever. No one needs to go anywhere. (which you stated and I agree with) NVE hasn't played a full season in years... and as for Finley, he is A LOT more ONE DIMENSIONAL then people on this board seem to realize. He's not the Finley of 5 or 6 years ago.

[Marcus Bryant]

You've gotta be in kidding me right now? Ya, your right, he barely played any point guard.

Second, I love how everytime the Spurs sign someone its the new "savior." Steve Smith, Hedo, Barry, Finley, NVE...or whatever. No one needs to go anywhere. (which you stated and I agree with) NVE hasn't played a full season in years... and as for Finley, he is A LOT more ONE DIMENSIONAL then people on this board seem to realize. He's not the Finley of 5 or 6 years ago.

You know, if Finley can shoot 3s at a 40% clip like he did last season, run the break, make the occassional drive/cut to the basket, and learn how to force guys he's defending baseline then he's an excellent acquisition as a backup swing. Anything beyond that is gravy.

[Solid D]

You've gotta be in kidding me right now? Ya, your right, he barely played any point guard.

Second, I love how everytime the Spurs sign someone its the new "savior." Steve Smith, Hedo, Barry, Finley, NVE...or whatever. No one needs to go anywhere. (which you stated and I agree with) NVE hasn't played a full season in years... and as for Finley, he is A LOT more ONE DIMENSIONAL then people on this board seem to realize. He's not the Finley of 5 or 6 years ago.

timvp is correct. Barry had very few trips as PG. He may have had some of TP's backup minutes in Games 5, 6 and 7, but he wasn't bringing the ball up that often. Manu was the primary playmaker when TP was out.

Defensively, when TP was sitting, Barry defended Prince or Hamilton, not Billups and Hunter. They were Manu's and Bruce's assignment.

[CaptainLate]

Getting Najera would be...sweet.

Not at the expense of Barry.

[CaptainLate]

If that happens, guess what, he doesn't play. It's that simple....Do you think Pop offered him the starting job? No. Do you think Pop promised him mintues to the moon? No.

Finley knew he'd get more minutes in Phoenix, Minny, and even Miami. But he still signed here.

We know w/Pop that it comes down to defense. No matter how "offensive" a player is, if he doesn't play D he don't play -- PERIOD!! And I'm sure Pop expressed that in his own way to Mr. Finley.

[CaptainLate]

Best part is, even if Finley is a complete bust, we have other options.

Who knows. CIA Pop may have an agreement with Finley that if by the trade deadline he's unhappy with the amount of PT he's getting that they'd work out a trade.

[spurster]

During the regular season, there will be plenty of minutes.

If the backcourt starters take up about 30-36 min. each (let's say a total of 100), that leaves about 50 minutes for Van Exel, Finley, Brent, and Beno. 15 min. each for Van Exel, Finley, and Brent with 5 min. for Beno gives most of them good playing time.

During the playoffs is a different matter, but it's no given that it will be Finley in , Barry out.

As far as the lux tax is concerned, I hope the Spurs live with whatever lux tax they have this season. Next season, they can let Nazr walk, which will free some room to bring in Scola.