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    amen. Budenholzer is EXACTLY the type of coach the Lakers should have sought instead of chasing names. They will make the same mistake chasing stars but every star they have chased or rumored to want are hurt or playing hurt: So glad we lost out on those guys or did not trade for em ...

    1. Dwight (hurt)
    2. Melo (playing hurt)
    3. rondo (hurt)

    Only guys Lakers truly wanted that are healthy are Pau and Lebron and they treated the former shabby and had no shot at James. I doubt Lebron will ever take on another building project if he has the choice ...
    You honestly think Kobe can play for a coach like Bud? I don't, and this really isn't about bashing Kobe.

    That said, with a coach like Bud, the Lakers will be looking at 35 wins, maybe even 40.

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    You honestly think Kobe can play for a coach like Bud? I don't, and this really isn't about bashing Kobe.

    That said, with a coach like Bud, the Lakers will be looking at 35 wins, maybe even 40.
    1. Yes I think he could ... but again I dont buy everything I read ...
    2. IF he did have a problem ... IDGAF, his days are numbered anyways ...
    3. Lakers FO has to make moves that are best for the Franchise not what is best for Kobe. he has 48 million reasons to play for and listen to whomever we put at coach ...

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    1. Yes I think he could ... but again I dont buy everything I read ...
    2. IF he did have a problem ... IDGAF, his days are numbered anyways ...
    3. Lakers FO has to make moves that are best for the Franchise not what is best for Kobe. he has 48 million reasons to play for and listen to whomever we put at coach ...
    You live in an ideal world my friend.

    Management thinks most people buy tickets to see Kobe, not the coach. I don't agree with it, and think people are more excited about seeing a winning team, but Lakers management seems to be going the other direction.

    Getting rid of Kobe is probably the ideal situation for the Lakers now, but then Kobe wouldn't go (paycheck), management wouldn't allow it to happen (optics, illusion of revenue, appeasing the loudest fans).

    And I doubt too many coaches (good ones) are looking forward to coach a sinking team like the Lakers.

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    You live in an ideal world my friend.

    Management thinks most people buy tickets to see Kobe, not the coach. I don't agree with it, and think people are more excited about seeing a winning team, but Lakers management seems to be going the other direction.

    Getting rid of Kobe is probably the ideal situation for the Lakers now, but then Kobe wouldn't go (paycheck), management wouldn't allow it to happen (optics, illusion of revenue, appeasing the loudest fans).

    And I doubt too many coaches (good ones) are looking forward to coach a sinking team like the Lakers.
    No I am not. You asked me if I thought he could I said, yes. You cant prove he could not I cant prove he would.
    I said even if he had an issue, I myself wouldnt care.
    I dont speak for common fans or the FO. You know me better than that Amb. Say what you will but Phil, Mike D and Hollins all considered top candidates considered or took the Lakers job. Situation is worse now but I deal with facts not speculation.

    and I never said Kobe was going anywhere I just said imho the 48 million is "hush" money and if he doesnt agree with the coach as much as I respect what he has done for the franchise, him. No one not even West or Magic is bigger than the franchise.

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    That hiatus, subsequent slump, the return and streak could seal it for him. That's how Nash nailed it b2b. The team sucked while he was out. He comes back and they go on a tear. That gets noticed. Curry hasn't been that much better than Klay tbh. Still, I wouldn't begrudge him of it if they think he deserves it.
    LeBron's individual brilliance will end up better than Steph, imo. Not that it's a knock on Steph b/c they're still on pace for 65 wins, and I think they have better championship odds than the Cavs.

    However, they have much more weapons if, let's say, Steph decides to take the night off or if he has a bad game, while Cleveland is gonna stink without Bron's brilliance

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    1. Yes I think he could ... but again I dont buy everything I read ...
    2. IF he did have a problem ... IDGAF, his days are numbered anyways ...
    3. Lakers FO has to make moves that are best for the Franchise not what is best for Kobe. he has 48 million reasons to play for and listen to whomever we put at coach ...
    You know I am ing with you about 99% of the time just to see your wall of text response in defense of yourself. However it's entertaining to watch you work so hard to separate yourself from your chosen namesake. You chose his name, like some HS groupie chick, then spend all your time distancing yourself from the guy. It's like a circus. Sure you can say "but but it was my Nintendo name", so what? If I named myself "Stromile Swift" on Nintendo, I wouldn't have to register on a NBA forum with that name and if I did, I wouldn't expect people to not think I was pro-Stromile Swift. Pretty sure there are plenty Magic Johnson combinations you could have used. You didn't.

    Now post 1000 words telling me how much you don't give a .

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    You know I am ing with you about 99% of the time just to see your wall of text response in defense of yourself. However it's entertaining to watch you work so hard to separate yourself from your chosen namesake. You chose his name, like some HS groupie chick, then spend all your time distancing yourself from the guy. It's like a circus. Sure you can say "but but it was my Nintendo name", so what? If I named myself "Stromile Swift" on Nintendo, I wouldn't have to register on a NBA forum with that name and if I did, I wouldn't expect people to not think I was pro-Stromile Swift. Pretty sure there are plenty Magic Johnson combinations you could have used. You didn't.

    Now post 1000 words telling me how much you don't give a .
    Nah not a 100. I don't speak just for your benefit. And you are right could have chose another name explained why I did not ...and not distancing myself I am a Kobe apologist and supporter just saying everything I post ain't about Kobe ... I just luv talking hoops.

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    nice jinx thread, imo

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    Just like that "the Cleveland" looks like crap against a crappy team lol.

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    LeBron in all his greatness can't cover for how poorly this team was constructed, and even after a series of trades, their flaws will show in the playoffs.

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    Just like that "the Cleveland" looks like crap against a crappy team lol.
    got has got take, nothing new here. You know jack about basketball. Stick to being a got. You do that well.

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    got has got take, nothing new here. You know jack about basketball. Stick to being a got. You do that well.
    You remember this you old er?


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    You remember this you old er?

    Not really. Was this the time you thought you ran me off, when I was on a fishing trip? lol lower tier posters and their delusions of adequacy.

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    Not really. Was this the time you thought you ran me off, when I was on a fishing trip? lol lower tier posters and their delusions of adequacy.
    You remember the nightmare don't you. When you offered to post pics of yourself. I'll never forget how you groveled and pleaded.

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    You remember the nightmare don't you. When you offered to post pics of yourself. I'll never forget how you groveled and pleaded.
    Lol, I make a statement toward you and you go into full meltdown. Typical beta cuck .

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    The trade for Mozgov and JR Smith was actually a pretty good one. That's surprising considering the Cavs' inept front office. I think the Hawks have a decent chance at upsetting the Cavs though but if Lebron takes it to another gear and plays like how he played on the Heat, it would be very hard for anyone in the East to stop the Cavs.

    Any West team on the other hand can probably dispel the Cavs in 6.

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    No I am not. You asked me if I thought he could I said, yes. You cant prove he could not I cant prove he would.
    I said even if he had an issue, I myself wouldnt care.
    I dont speak for common fans or the FO. You know me better than that Amb. Say what you will but Phil, Mike D and Hollins all considered top candidates considered or took the Lakers job. Situation is worse now but I deal with facts not speculation.

    and I never said Kobe was going anywhere I just said imho the 48 million is "hush" money and if he doesnt agree with the coach as much as I respect what he has done for the franchise, him. No one not even West or Magic is bigger than the franchise.
    I said you live in an ideal world, pretty much everything goes right and Kobe would all of a sudden actually not clash with a coach who would ask him to give up the ball. He couldn't live with giving the ball to Dwight, Shaq, Bynum and MVPau, and you think he would give the ball to Jordan Hill or Ed Davis?

    If you require some level of dark magic or a lobotomy on Kobe to make it work, then it doesn't work. You can give him the finger all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that he has never played well with any coach, Jackson included.

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    I said you live in an ideal world, pretty much everything goes right and Kobe would all of a sudden actually not clash with a coach who would ask him to give up the ball. He couldn't live with giving the ball to Dwight, Shaq, Bynum and MVPau, and you think he would give the ball to Jordan Hill or Ed Davis?

    If you require some level of dark magic or a lobotomy on Kobe to make it work, then it doesn't work. You can give him the finger all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that he has never played well with any coach, Jackson included.
    Huh? I dont have the energy to get in a drawn out on this because I really dont care. This is like the Hakeem vs duncan debates no one can prove since it's hypothetical. So take this as the final response on this (although I am sure you will have lengthy rebuttal) Coaches and star player make compromises. My guess (same as you just a guess) is he would give up the ball a bit more and Bud would also run more things he likes. You are right, even Phil and Kobe clashed some but he still gave most late game situations to Kobe to run outside the triangle so my guess is Bud would do the same (cuz all of Kobe's coaches starting with dell have done so, that is fact even if it hasnt always worked out) in exchange, for kobe's buy-in on the rest.

    again I dont know ... you could be right, I never said you were absolutely wrong. You asked me my opinion (remember that) but you act like my opinion can be proven wrong and what can get annoying is you act like your opinion is fact. Why continue an argument with me over something you cannot prove and you actually asked me my opinion of? You have had stated your opinion and guess on why it wouldnt work, it has been noted. We disagree so let's move-on. and save us both some time.

    You the cat living in a dream world because the scenario is hypothetical. All I said was that wasthe type of coach we should get. And Kobe has hush money to make sure that it worked and if he did not like it I (again me my opinion) that to bad.
    Last edited by Killakobe81; 02-09-2015 at 11:07 AM.

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    I would tend to say that is what Atlanta does vs. what is wrong with MVPau.
    WTH? I just gave you a half a season worth of proof how awful Pau's defensive presence is. His deficiencies on that end is alarming with Chicago dropping from 3rd to 14th in league defensive efficiency.

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    WTH? I just gave you a half a season worth of proof how awful Pau's defensive presence is. His deficiencies on that end is alarming with Chicago dropping from 3rd to 14th in league defensive efficiency.
    Amb won't ever admit to being wrong but I do enjoy his banter. I just dont like when he states his opinion or bias as fact.

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    Amb won't ever admit to being wrong but I do enjoy his banter. I just dont like when he states his opinion or bias as fact.
    He's a good poster, he just need to be more objective when it comes to Kobe related subjects.

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    The trade for Mozgov and JR Smith was actually a pretty good one. That's surprising considering the Cavs' inept front office. I think the Hawks have a decent chance at upsetting the Cavs though but if Lebron takes it to another gear and plays like how he played on the Heat, it would be very hard for anyone in the East to stop the Cavs.

    Any West team on the other hand can probably dispel the Cavs in 6.
    Cavs have looked pretty damn good since that Mozgov/Smith acquisition tbh.

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    He's a good poster, he just need to be more objective when it comes to Kobe related subjects.
    Agreed. I dont get the axe to grind here Duncan has the edge on Kobe. Lakers suck, he is winning so he could dial it back some gain some credibility on the subject.

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    WTH? I just gave you a half a season worth of proof how awful Pau's defensive presence is. His deficiencies on that end is alarming with Chicago dropping from 3rd to 14th in league defensive efficiency.
    Cant give that up because it undermines a story he is sticking to tbh. Also may Spur fans have a soft spot for Pau. Great player especially on offense but he used to be solid on defense too. I wonder if it's because they hated the Lakers Fish, Phil and Kobe so much they had to find someone to latch on to. Funny thing is some even liked shaq despite him making up lies about David. But I guess because he praised Timmy all is good. Just a weird dynamic. Not saying they have to like any opposing players but the ones they like they will defend even when you bring evidence that shows they are wrong. It's never Pau, it's Kobe, rose, Phil, Mike d or Tibbs fault.

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    Huh? I dont have the energy to get in a drawn out on this because I really dont care. This is like the Hakeem vs duncan debates no one can prove since it's hypothetical. So take this as the final response on this (although I am sure you will have lengthy rebuttal) Coaches and star player make compromises. My guess (same as you just a guess) is he would give up the ball a bit more and Bud would also run more things he likes. You are right, even Phil and Kobe clashed some but he still gave most late game situations to Kobe to run outside the triangle so my guess is Bud would do the same (cuz all of Kobe's coaches starting with dell have done so, that is fact even if it hasnt always worked out) in exchange, for kobe's buy-in on the rest.

    again I dont know ... you could be right, I never said you were absolutely wrong. You asked me my opinion (remember that) but you act like my opinion can be proven wrong and what can get annoying is you act like your opinion is fact. Why continue an argument with me over something you cannot prove and you actually asked me my opinion of? You have had stated your opinion and guess on why it wouldnt work, it has been noted. We disagree so let's move-on. and save us both some time.

    You the cat living in a dream world because the scenario is hypothetical. All I said was that wasthe type of coach we should get. And Kobe has hush money to make sure that it worked and if he did not like it I (again me my opinion) that to bad.
    Of course it's hypothetical, that's why we argue, otherwise those would be statements.

    The only time Kobe ever gave up the ball caused him to be disgruntled and broke up the 3 peat dynasty. Not to mention that embarrassment of an 04 Finals.

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