Tony needs to run the offense when closing games like this...

[ducks]

Hate ISO ball

[SASdynasty!]

Why would anyone want a cancerous choker like Enrique to close out games? Especially when having point guards closing out games just ends up stagnating the whole offense when opposing teams put bigger defenders on them.

Lol, so mad. You cannot stand Spurs winning brand of basketball. I'm sorry bro, seriously.

[Wildcat67]

Kawhi bricked 3 J's that should have been better plays not Mav kind of ISO's

One was with the shot clock running down, another he completely shook his man and had about 6-8ft of space.

[SASdynasty!]

Manu himself was saying it on the interview from last week that he doesn't get to close games anymore, and he's fine with that. He's fully aware he can't do what he used to do.

Which is why I don't get the Pop going with it. He had a timeout, and there were still 6 secs left after the 24 secs clock.

It's weird...that's the same thing Pop did at the end of overtime in G6 against Miami. We had the ball off the Wade miss...down 1 with like 10 seconds to go. Perfect amount of time for Pop to call a timeout and run a set play with movement and screens, but he just let Manu go iso with it and he didn't even get a shot up.

[ElNono]

It's weird...that's the same thing Pop did at the end of overtime in G6 against Miami. We had the ball off the Wade miss...down 1 with like 10 seconds to go. Perfect amount of time for Pop to call a timeout and run a set play with movement and screens, but he just let Manu go iso with it and he didn't even get a shot up.

I just think Pop has infinite trust in Gino... but he's going to be 38 soon, tbh... I have no problem with Tony running the show at that point...

[UZER]

Probably not the best comparison. You don't get the highest QBR in the league if you turn the ball over a lot.

The guy has one good season and all is forgetten.

[pgardn]

Why would anyone want a cancerous choker like Enrique to close out games? Especially when having point guards closing out games just ends up stagnating the whole offense when opposing teams put bigger defenders on them.

So who do you want with the ball at mid court to close out a game?

[beirmeistr]

Only thing Tony would get us is a step back mid-range jumpshot. Sure bad things can happen with the ball in manu's hands but he'll be able to make things happen in a mul ude of ways more often than tony.

true, because , unlike Manu, does not drive for the basket if it means getting battered.

[UZER]

No it isn't. He's averaging the same 23 mpg he's been averaging the past 3 seasons. Heck, in his prime, when he played more minutes he averaged more turnovers (2.7 per game in 2007/2008). He just had more game back then, so people didn't stress about it.

Since 2013 people have been overreacting greatly over his turnovers (perhaps rightly so, tbh), but he's always turned the ball over at about the same rate.

Overreaching but rightly so? What does that mean?

People didn't stress about it because he did so many other thing to make up for it. Now those turnovers have way more impact. Tonight was a perfect example.

[ElNono]

Overreaching but rightly so? What does that mean?

People didn't stress about it because he did so many other thing to make up for it. Now those turnovers have way more impact. Tonight was a perfect example.

Because 2013 clearly left a psychological mark on fans, Manu now turns it over and it's "he's turning it over all the time!". I understand the reaction (thus why I said rightly so), but rationally looking at the numbers don't bear it out. That was an outlier, a costly one, but an outlier nonetheless.

He's still doing a lot of other good things. He actually had a very solid game both tonight and the last game, but I can bet you $100 if we lose this game all people would remember is that turnover. Which is fine, people tend to remember the high stakes, not when we were down 12 or so in the 1st quarter and his unit brought us back into the game.

[beirmeistr]

Because 2013 clearly left a psychological mark on fans, Manu now turns it over and it's "he's turning it over all the time!". I understand the reaction (thus why I said rightly so), but rationally looking at the numbers don't bear it out. That was an outlier, a costly one, but an outlier nonetheless.

He's still doing a lot of other good things. He actually had a very solid game both tonight and the last game, but I can bet you $100 if we lose this game all people would remember is that turnover. Which is fine, people tend to remember the high stakes, not when we were down 12 or so in the 1st quarter and his unit brought us back into the game.

tony has more career turnovers than Manu by several hundred

[UZER]

Because 2013 clearly left a psychological mark on fans, Manu now turns it over and it's "he's turning it over all the time!". I understand the reaction (thus why I said rightly so), but rationally looking at the numbers don't bear it out. That was an outlier, a costly one, but an outlier nonetheless.

He's still doing a lot of other good things. He actually had a very solid game both tonight and the last game, but I can bet you $100 if we lose this game all people would remember is that turnover. Which is fine, people tend to remember the high stakes, not when we were down 12 or so in the 1st quarter and his unit brought us back into the game.

Round and round.

Anyway, welcome to the Manu shouldn't have the ball closing games club. Still my favorite spur ever.

[ElNono]

tony has more career turnovers than Manu by several hundred

He has more years in the league though, IIRC.

Manu has always been "turnover prone" to put it in a way (he's also always assisted way more than turned it over, he's been the 2nd top assist guy in this team for many seasons now).

Obviously, he's not 20ppg now, so people focus on those things. And that's fine too, he's obviously not in his prime anymore, you can't put him on a ISO with the game on the line right now.

[ElNono]

Round and round.

Anyway, welcome to the Manu shouldn't have the ball closing games club. Still my favorite spur ever.

I love Gino, and I understand some fans' feeling around here, but I agree he shouldn't be ISO'ing to close games anymore. At least draw a play, give him a screen for a pass to the corner or something.

Completely agree on that, thus this thread.

[pgardn]

He has always been willing to be blamed and blame himself.
Giveth and taketh away comes at a price, people hate or love you game to game.
I believe the guy is harder on himself than any fan. He is hyper compe ive and his personality of talking things through in the huddle, and questioning Pop about specifics is a huge + for the team. He is quite simply a leader willing to fck up.

[ElNono]

+14 tonight, best in the team, out assisted and out scored Tony, on a night Tony just didn't have it going. Would've been a shame if all we remembered about that game was the turnover. That's why I don't get Pop not calling a timeout and setting a play.

[SASdynasty!]

tony has more career turnovers than Manu by several hundred

Tony Parker
RS Minutes played: 32,549
RS Turnovers: 2,498
RS Turnovers/MP: 7.67%
PO Minutes played: 7,006
PO Turnovers: 549
PO Turnovers/MP: 7.84%

Manu Ginobili
RS Minutes played: 23,075
RS Turnovers: 1,809
RS Turnovers/MP: 7.84%
PO Minutes played: 5,361
PO Turnovers: 441
PO Turnovers/MP: 8.23%

So Tony turns it over less than Manu any way you look at it AND he's been the main ball-handler his whole career.

[RD2191]

+14 tonight, best in the team, out assisted and out scored Tony, on a night Tony just didn't have it going. Would've been a shame if all we remembered about that game was the turnover. That's why I don't get Pop not calling a timeout and setting a play.

Real spurs fans wouldn't of blamed him. Just like I won't Blame Kawhi for 6. I can't excuse a game though so you bet your ass I would of blamed Parker.

[ElNono]

Tony Parker
RS Minutes played: 32,549
RS Turnovers: 2,498
RS Turnovers/MP: 7.67%
PO Minutes played: 7,006
PO Turnovers: 549
PO Turnovers/MP: 7.84%

Manu Ginobili
RS Minutes played: 23,075
RS Turnovers: 1,809
RS Turnovers/MP: 7.84%
PO Minutes played: 5,361
PO Turnovers: 441
PO Turnovers/MP: 8.23%

So Tony turns it over less than Manu any way you look at it AND he's been the main ball-handler his whole career.

Wow, didn't know they were so close on a per minute basis. You get the idea from some of the posts here Gino is a turnover machine... that's actually pretty impressive. Thanks for posting that.

[SASdynasty!]

The guy has one good season and all is forgetten.

Lol, he has the 2nd highest QBR in NFL history:

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tony Romo
3. Peyton Manning
4. Steve Young
5. Tom Brady

[SASdynasty!]

Wow, didn't know they were so close on a per minute basis. You get the idea from some of the posts here Gino is a turnover machine... that's actually pretty impressive. Thanks for posting that.

I agree, but he's had the ball in his hands for way more of those minutes (percentage-wise) as a PG his whole career than Manu has as a SG.

[ElNono]

I agree, but he's had the ball in his hands for way more of those minutes (percentage-wise) as a PG his whole career than Manu has as a SG.

Yeah, he played at least a couple more seasons, IIRC.

[ElNono]

Still pretty impressive than whatever the amount of minutes, they both turned the ball over about the same on a per minute basis. Wonder how that compares to other players in the league.

[ElNono]

This is an area where I see Harden having a problem with later in his career... he's a turnover machine, worse than Gino at 38 years old on a per 36 basis... once he stops scoring his 20+ ppg, he's gonna need to do a lot of adapting...