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    I've never tried. Some posters immediately get defensive. It's very odd.

    I love Kawhi and think he's an incredible individual player. But it's not simply a matter of him getting an infinite number of shots (especially on iso situations). I think he needs more attempts within the flow of the offense, to combat the opponent's game-planning against him.

    He's still learning to pick his spots and learning when/where/how to shoot. It's a process. Handing him the ball and clearing one side of the floor every possession isn't the answer. The offense can get high percentage looks (for Kawhi as well) when the ball movement is crisp.
    Sure, he currently gets and will get shots within the flow of the offense regardless. Not sure how that changes the fact that he needs more touches in his sweet spots? You can't justify not getting a guy more touches simply off the assumption that his efficiency might go down. Right now it's either a high percentage shot or a double team for Kawhi, you have to juice that until you're completely sure it doesn't work and there's no way of knowing that until he gets the necessary touches.

    I mean especially when the alternative is an inefficient two man game or dribble dribble dribble from Enrique, not sure why anyone would be opposed to making Kawhi the primary offensive focus.

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    The only problem I have right now with Kawhi's game is that he sometimes settles for the most inefficient shot in the game (the long 2), when he has the physicality to take his man off the dribble. He's been effective from that range, but I don't want him to rely on it.

    Lebron is a great example of efficiency that Kawhi should try to emulate. The turnaround 18-footer is a great weapon, but again, it shouldn't be his go-to.
    The midrange pull-up is an inefficient shot for most players, but that's Kawhi's game right now and he's been ridiculously good at it for the past couple of months. He's not a great slasher or finisher at the rim yet so not sure why he would go away from the midrange game in favor of that.

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    He already is the primary focus of the offense as much as any one player can be.

    I don't want the Spurs offense to ever turn into the Thunder's iso ball. That goes for Enrique, Tim, Manu, Kawhi, Jesus, etc...

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    Have you ever watched Kirby chuck the Lakers out of a game against the Spurs, been happy about it, but still think he's a selfish, cancerous chucker? By your logic, that would make you a Laker fan who bandwagoned on to the Spurs.
    34000 posts on a Spurs forum, while pretending to be a Clippers fan. Do you have any idea how big of a got that makes you?

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    Kawhi has those big jordan mitts. He will be amazing from the midrange the next few years. It will also prolong his NBA career.

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    He already is the primary focus of the offense as much as any one player can be.

    I don't want the Spurs offense to ever turn into the Thunder's iso ball. That goes for Enrique, Tim, Manu, Kawhi, Jesus, etc...
    There's always room for more when the man is shooting 60%, handling double teams well and swinging the ball/assisting teammates.

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    There's always room for more when the man is shooting 60%, handling double teams well and swinging the ball/assisting teammates.
    Of course he could get the ball more, especially when the matchups are favorable. But I don't think the Spurs offense will be best served with any one player dominating the ball (porker/Enrique/fatrique/etc included). That's not what's taken them to b2b Finals.

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    The ball ran through Duncan in his prime. Give Kawhi his.

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    The nba has changed.

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    And Kawhi isn't 7 feet tall.

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    The nba has changed.
    Duncan at 39 still rocking these bigs. He just can't do it cause he got no legs. This is no different. Let the stud roam.

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    And Kawhi isn't 7 feet tall.
    He still gets his like if he is,

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    It's just a philosophical difference then.

    I believe the Spurs offense is special because it doesn't/shouldn't rely on one player having an on-night (or off-night). It's the ball movement and chemistry that makes the offense unique and difficult to gameplan for. It's a proven system.

    I don't get why fans are rooting for Kawhi to get a certain number of touches or a certain number of points. This isn't about Kawhi; it's about the Spurs.

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    Whew, given all the Kawhi threads from OP, thought this would be about advocating Kawhi as player-coach.

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    It's just a philosophical difference then.

    I believe the Spurs offense is special because it doesn't/shouldn't rely on one player having an on-night (or off-night). It's the ball movement and chemistry that makes the offense unique and difficult to gameplan for. It's a proven system.

    I don't get why fans are rooting for Kawhi to get a certain number of touches or a certain number of points. This isn't about Kawhi; it's about the Spurs.
    Right now it's about Kawhi. The rest of the team clearly doesn't have it. Of course he isn't going to avg like 30 shots per game but he needs to get more touches. The dude is killing it right now. If other players were hitting shots then yeah move the ball but that isn't the case right now.

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    It's just a philosophical difference then.

    I believe the Spurs offense is special because it doesn't/shouldn't rely on one player having an on-night (or off-night). It's the ball movement and chemistry that makes the offense unique and difficult to gameplan for. It's a proven system.

    I don't get why fans are rooting for Kawhi to get a certain number of touches or a certain number of points. This isn't about Kawhi; it's about the Spurs.
    When the role players aren't hitting shots it doesn't really matter anymore. Kawhi needs to force the action because that's the only way we winning if the role players don't show up.

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    Right now it's about Kawhi. The rest of the team clearly doesn't have it. Of course he isn't going to avg like 30 shots per game but he needs to get more touches. The dude is killing it right now. If other players were hitting shots then yeah move the ball but that isn't the case right now.
    I think that's great for getting Kawhi stats, and maybe winning a game here and there. But it won't win a series. And it won't win a championship. If the team doesn't get the ball moving and get their bench playing at a high level, it won't matter if Kawhi gets 50 turnaround jumpers every game.

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    I think that's great for getting Kawhi stats, and maybe winning a game here and there. But it won't win a series. And it won't win a championship. If the team doesn't get the ball moving and get their bench playing at a high level, it won't matter if Kawhi gets 50 turnaround jumpers every game.
    It's about adjustments got. You think ball movement was going to beat dallas last year? They game planned for that .
    Let Kawhi get you past the first round atleast. Your not a very knowledgeable person tbh.

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    I think that's great for getting Kawhi stats, and maybe winning a game here and there. But it won't win a series. And it won't win a championship. If the team doesn't get the ball moving and get their bench playing at a high level, it won't matter if Kawhi gets 50 turnaround jumpers every game.
    You have no reason to believe that seeing as we win most games when Kawhi is the team high scorer. Did Tim have to play in the system when he was younger? no. It was all Timmy for awhile there. Kawhi is no Tim but he could most def win us this series. And it all starts with out PG who had 1 assist tonight. That's not a knock on Parker but it is what it is.

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    Of course he could get the ball more, especially when the matchups are favorable. But I don't think the Spurs offense will be best served with any one player dominating the ball (porker/Enrique/fatrique/etc included). That's not what's taken them to b2b Finals.
    The ball movement/constant motion of the offense should always be there. I don't think anybody is complaining about that. Let's be honest though the Spurs offense isn't the beautiful game 100% of the time, the dribble dribble dribble and two-man game are still a big part of the offense unfortunately. Those should be replaced by more Kawhi-centric plays.

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    Maybe Kawhi going for 35-40 every game is the answer. But I feel the Spurs have a better shot at winning this series and maybe even a championship if the entire team is clicking and Kawhi gets his points by playing within the offense. Just my opinion, tbh.

    It's Tim Duncan's opinion too, tbh. He seems to think it's a good idea for Kawhi to play within the offense. He said as much after Game 3 when Kawhi went for 32 by doing just that.

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    probably one of the worst threads in the history of ST. that includes avante, xmas, etc

    i refuse to believe that HH authorized this one

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    Maybe Kawhi going for 35-40 every game is the answer. But I feel the Spurs have a better shot at winning this series and maybe even a championship if the entire team is clicking and Kawhi gets his points by playing within the offense. Just my opinion, tbh.

    It's Tim Duncan's opinion too, tbh. He seems to think it's a good idea for Kawhi to play within the offense. He said as much after Game 3 when Kawhi went for 32 by doing just that.
    Enrique played like tony parker that night. Tonight not so much.

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