Marion apologist.
whatever, if he was on you're team you'd be sucking his . And Marion was better previously then manu was. Its just that manu decides to earn what they pay him, in the playoffs, and Marion doesn't. Ginobili>Marion Yea, he does some clown acts now and then, but at least he gets to the basket at the right times. Id trade Ginobili's clowness over Marion's quietness anyday. I can't believe you call a finger problem a "bad day". Gino, was banged up so many times, if you had KRRT you'd be ting yourself that he is still playing.
This thread is pretty silly to begin with, but I will bite.
The line that seperates number 1 and number 2 is razor-thin.
I think Detroit's starting 5 is number 1
SA is a close, close second.
BUT!
Which is the better overall TEAM?
Look no further than the '05 Finals for that answer. Scary part...SA did nothing this off-season but UPGRADE its already outstanding bench. With Finley in the fold, that puts Bowen on the bench, which increases their offense, but downgrades their defense.
But really, lets not make it sound like Bowen doesnt play for SA anymore. I think he will be backing up the #2 and 3 postions giving him plenty of minutes. Basically, the aquisition of Finley improves them significantly.
What did Detroit do? Whoooooole lot of nuthin. No better, no worse...yet. JoeD is hoping Delfino, Arroyo, and (fingers crossed) Darko progress and become servicable off the bench. But while Detroit is 'hoping', SA is knowing.
I believe Miami doesnt even make the ECF this year. Just a hunch.
I believe Detroit whoops in the 1st round, plays the perrenial series against Indy in the 2nd (with the perrenial 6-game win) and plays (*gasp*) Cleveland in the ECF. Detroit wins in 6.
SA will roll on everyone in the West. The West just isnt as evenly matched as the East. NOT saying the East is better...no sir. Just saying that SA is sooooooo much better than everyone else that it isnt really fair.
Rematch of '05 in the Finals. SA will win only because of all the questions Detroit still has off the bench. Gino is one year older, meaning one year better. TD is...well, TD. Parker I have ZERO respect for. Sorry, IMO, hes way overrated. Nazr is....serviceable I guess. Bowen, Finley and Van Exel are going to be the key ingredients (with a little splash of Big Shot Bob).
If I had to predict, SA in 7 (again). Maybe even 6. They are the class of the league (as much as it pains me to say that).
Are u saying Bowen will come off the bench??? NO WAY DUDE. Bowen is a starter.
BEST STARTING LINE-UP
Elmo - 10/10
Oscar the Grouch - 8/10
Cookie Monster - 9/10
Aloysius Snuffleupagus - 9/10
Big Bird - 10/10
You can't argue with those ratings. And, if Oscar the Grouch would just pass the ball a little more, he'd probably be a 9/10 too. No weak links. Big Bird and Snuffleupagus have size no other team can compete with. Cookie Monster is a lock-down defender and will get you points in the paint and on the perimeter. And, Elmo is simply the best do-everything, go-to point guard since Magic Johnson.
Translation: this is a silly and quite unnecessary topic
It's the offseason! most topics are silly + unnecessary
I dont read SA newspapers...
Has Finley publicly stated he is ready to play off the bench? Last time I heard, that was a very crucial point for him.
I am prepared to be wrong.
Actually, it was the first thing Pop said to him. That he would be coming off the bench, sometimes playing limited minutes. He accepted this, as long as he had a better shot at a ring.
that's right. He's just here to collect his ring.
You're wrong if you think he's not gonna work for it. He is a very underrated player, I think. He's a great team player and his offense is going to be very much needed in this team. As is Van Exel's.that's right. He's just here to collect his ring.
My point was that he's was never supposed to be a key piece to this team. Spurs sought after him just because it was logical, he was the best available FA and they didn't want him to go to Heat,Detroit or Suns.
In the future he might become key to us. But at this point he's not.
And underrated???? have you been paying attention at how all the teams were kissing his ass for weeks to lure him?
Maybe that was one of the reasons, but you also have to remember the offensive droughts we would have last year. Not many Spurs players were very constant. I strongly thought one of the reasons the Spurs wanted him was because of his offensive consistency. At least everytime Pop calls his number, he won't wonder if he'll have trouble scoring.
Yeah, obviously all those teams knew his worth. I'm talking about how the Mavericks treated him. How they dumped him after they thought he was worthless. I really think he was just not a good fit for Dallas considering how they're trying to mold the team into. Finley is a great player. And I'm glad his talent will finally be put into good use (hopefully).And underrated???? have you been paying attention at how all the teams were kissing his ass for weeks to lure him?
Tinsley's overall game is superior to both Parker and Billups.
Shooting - Billups > Tinsley > Parker
Passing - Tinsley > Billups = Parker
Rebounding - Tinsley > Parker = Billups
Defense - Billups > Tinsley > Parker
Overall - Tinsley = Billups > Parker
I only gave Tinsley a 7.4 because of his injuries. If he would've completed the whole season, he would've been around a 7.6-7.7.
Bowen's overall game is scary bad. It's about total impact on the game, and whatever Bowen brings to the game on defense is countered by how horrible his overall game is. 32 mpg, 8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg is one of the worst statlines I've ever seen. It's on a Michael Curry-level of suckiness
Manu's not that great. Marion's a lot better. Get over it.
dude, you dont knowTinsley's overall game is superior to both Parker and Billups.
Passing - Tinsley > Billups = Parker
Rebounding - Tinsley > Parker = Billups
Overall - Tinsley = Billups > Parker
Bowen's overall game is scary bad. It's about total impact on the game, and whatever Bowen brings to the game on defense is countered by how horrible his overall game is. 32 mpg, 8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg is one of the worst statlines I've ever seen. It's on a Michael Curry-level of suckiness
Manu's not that great. Marion's a lot better. Get over it.
jamal tinsley???
lol better than billups??????????
bowens offense is bad, but hes a great 3pt shooter and doesnt take that many shots, thus allowing OTHER players to take his shots that a normal starter might take
and shawn marion sure did outshine manu in the WCF
Pg- Nick Van Exel
Sg- Micheal Finly
SF-Brent Barry
PF-Robert Horry
C- Fabricio Oberto
i like
beno udrih
nick van exel
mike finley
robert horry
fabricio oberto
better
You're crazy. Billups > Parker > Tinsley. Heck, I might even take Bowen over Tinsley....
I don't think that Parker outplayed Billups....
Some people vastly underrate Bowen's contribution. Without Bowen's insane defense on Rip and Chauncey the Pistons would have won the finals in 5-6 games. He gained tons of respect from me during that series. He made Chauncey and Rip look like High School players when he was on them.
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Last edited by FreshPrince22; 09-12-2011 at 02:04 PM.
I'm sorry even if Manu was on my team there's no way i could like him.He just bothers me!Oh and a "bad day" more like a bad month.I'm not making an excuse about Marions finger because thats just as lame as Manu acting like a clow all the time.All i'm saying is Marion plays good defence,can dunk quite well,hit jumpers,hit free throws,and make 3's. Thats a good player to me.
Manu plays good defensive, can dunk quite well, hit jumpers, is an ace from the foul line, and hits three's with reckless abandon... and hes much better at driving to the hole and creating his own shot than Marion. Marion has no plays run for him, all his stats from hustle and athleticism... thats why when you put a good defender like Bowen on him, hes shut down pretty easily.
Manu doesn't play good defense? Can't Dunk quite well? Can't Hit jumpers, free throws or 3's?
rofl.
I never said Manu couldn't do the things i said.I'm not even sure how you can compare Marion and Manu when they don't even play the same spot??
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