Cavs: casual fan doesnt give lebron any credit or praise

[Infinite_limit]

The league is full of players that you cannot guard without double team. Pippen could not guard prime LBJ solo, no way in . He might get some good moments but James would drop 35/8/10 on him.

35 shot attempts
8 baskets
10 turnovers


? I believe it

[Bynumite]

I'll post some perimeter post-ups for you if you want, but perimeter players that post-up are largely pointless and overrated in basketball..

Why would I want my perimeter player posting up and hurting my spacing when I could have him shooting 3s or penetrating to draw fouls or dish to shooters?

Kobe is as good as any perimeter player in league history at posting up, it didn't stop him from being relatively inefficient at basketball in the last few years in the new era of basketball..

Kobe's inefficiency always came from bailout shots, occasional heat checks and contested shots with high degree of difficulty. Not because the game changed into something more complex

[Thebesteva]

That's all you see in the league today is ISO chucking. That's all your fraudulent MVP candidates do is ISO chuck

Don't worry man, just about everybody outside this soon to be ty\deleted forum thinks Jordan's era > Lebron's and no one will ever put Lebron past Magic Johnson much less the true GOAT.

[LkrFan]

False as .

You must be like 19 or something. Even Jimmy Butler had him shooting poorly this series - most recently held LeHype to 10/30 FGAs. Butler is no Pippen.

Since you obviously didn't see Pip play, youtube him. He is the greatest defensive player I've ever seen. No doubt in my mind he can guard LeHype without help.

[Phillip]

You must be like 19 or something. Even Jimmy Butler had him shooting poorly this series - most recently held LeHype to 10/30 FGAs. Butler is no Pippen.

Since you obviously didn't see Pip play, youtube him. He is the greatest defensive player I've ever seen. No doubt in my mind he can guard LeHype without help.

Or perhaps Lebron simply has had some bad shooting days, combined with some fantastic team defense by the Bulls?

And yes I was born in the 80s and grew up watching Pippen play. He's one of my all-time favorite players.

[Phillip]

People love to hate Lebron. Actually had one guy tell me that if Lebron doesn't ring again he isn't a HOFer

lol wow

35 shot attempts
8 baskets
10 turnovers


? I believe it

kys got

The league is full of players that you cannot guard without double team. Pippen could not guard prime LBJ solo, no way in . He might get some good moments but James would drop 35/8/10 on him.

this. takes team defense to guard Lebron. but straight up? no one has a remote chance. too big, too fast, too strong, and jumps too high.

[ambchang]

mid-range jump shots
2nd rate perimeter stars
goons
players that can't shoot 3-pointers

Not sure how you came up with that conclusion. For someone who is such a supporter of advanced stats, I would imagine you would have some sort of numbers to back up your claims instead of a bunch of emoticons and anecdotal evidence.

Sure, teams are shooting a lot more from the 3 right now, but does that mean they are necessarily better in terms of efficiency? Not really.

The TS% in 2015 was 53.4%, it was 53.1% in 1992, despite a lot less 3s. (22.4/team/game vs. 7.6/team/game). Teams weren't necessarily worse at shooting it (35% vs 33.1%), they were just shooting a whole lot less.

Teams also shot (slightly) better from the foul line (75.9% in 1992 vs. 75% in 2015) in the older days, which is a truer indication of whether players were in general better shooters or not because of the lack of defense.

Teams were shooting more FTs back in the day. Whether that was due to excessive fouling due to bad defense or more low post/paint scoring is up for the interpreter.

Finally, to notion that it was all iso ball back in the day is suspect. Teams averaged 0.59 assist for every FG made in 1992, that number is 0.59 in 2015. Sure it may be a lot of one pass and shoot back in 1992, but it doesn't give with the entire ISOball dominated 90s theory a lot of weight.

BTW, have you figured out BPM is a statistic that's normalized yet?

[Clipper Nation]

I'll post some perimeter post-ups for you if you want, but perimeter players that post-up are largely pointless and overrated in basketball..

Why would I want my perimeter player posting up and hurting my spacing when I could have him shooting 3s or penetrating to draw fouls or dish to shooters?

I disagree that posting up is entirely useless for perimeter players. For instance, not having a post game enabled Durant to get hounded by smaller players like Tony Allen and Chris Paul defensively in the playoffs last year. Without being able to back them down consistently, Durant struggled against players who could make up for their height disadvantage by being quick enough to stay with him. It's the same reason why Dirk struggled so much against the Warriors' small-ball lineups in 2007. Another example: Harden's lack of a post game is part of why he's sucked so bad in the playoffs without his bailout whistles.

Thing is, it just needs to be used in moderation. Overly relying on it makes you just as predictable as not having a post game at all and does end up ruining the spacing of the offense in favor of inefficient shots as you said.

[Infinite_limit]

this. takes team defense to guard Lebron. but straight up? no one has a remote chance. too big, too fast, too strong, and jumps too high.

Everything you posted is physical

Furthermore, matters very little when he jacks up a 18 foot fade away 7 outta 10 times

[Phillip]

Everything you posted is physical

Finishes too well around the rim, has complimentary footwork and post moves, and has developed a pretty deadly jumper to keep defenders honest.

Furthermore, matters very little when he jacks up a 18 foot fade away 7 outta 10 times

Against team defense, not one-on-one.

[Franklin]

But you still need to assign a designated defender to him even if you play zone defense or team defense, like the 11' Marion and 14' Leonard imho.