Spurs Decline to Match Jazz Offer

**timvp** · 09-09-2005

Who was the last player signed for $2.5 million by a team over the tax threshold for the express purpose of being a 12th man?

Evan Eschmeyer.

Apology Accepted.

**ZStomp** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Yeah, he should have grabbed the vaseline for himself and paid 5 million dollars a year for an end of bench towel waver.

If you want that I hear Jack Haley is looking for work.

I have to agree with AHF..and that doesn't happen much. This move doesn't bother me. Life goes on. Life will prevail.

**Marcus Bryant** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by timvp

With how hard the Spurs tried to trade players to bring Devin back in, you can assume that Pop and RC weren't on the "let Devin Brown walk, we can find someone better" boat. They wanted him to stay ... but instead, he became a luxury tax casualty.

I'm hoping the Spurs can pull another rabbit out of their hat and get another swingman gem on the cheap, but if that was so easy what happened between 1999 and 2003? All I remember was Terry Porter bringing the ball up and the Lakers treating him like live bait to their piranha.

Indeed. Not every Spurs' offseason has been like this one. Also, the lux tax amnesty rule is done. You can't count on picking up vets like Finley willing to take nothing to have a shot at the ring because Cubana Boy is paying them $5 mil a year for life.

**ChumpDumper** · 09-09-2005

for the express purpose of being a 12th man?

Apology not given.

**timvp** · 09-09-2005

Bottomline is the Spurs have nothing to worry about if Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, Michael Finley and Brent Barry stay healthy all year.

**thispego** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by whottt

That still doesn't solve the age issue....Our bench is old. As long as our young guys stay healthy it's fine...but if they don't...2001 all over again.

**timvp** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Apology not given.

Was Eschmeyer slated for anything other than a 12-man?

**tekdragon** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

There you go with your textbook exagerations.

Of course it's an exaggeration...that's the point. Isn't it also an exaggeration to say that the FO botched the offseason (and are not deserving of our support) because we let our 12th man slip away? Isn't it also an exaggeration to say that those who are happy with the front office's moves this offseason are sucking someone's nuts?

If we're getting called out for exaggerations, I don't think I'm the primary culprit.

Just be happy for Devin. He gets to play and grow as a player instead of watching from the pine. As a fan of Devin, I want what's best for him. As a fan of the Spurs, I want what's best for the organization...the business side as well as the basketball side. In my opinion, this is the best possible outcome for all involved.

Of course, having that opinion means I'm sucking someone's nuts.

And, apparantly, that's no exaggeration.

**timvp** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by tek

Isn't it also an exaggeration to say that the FO botched the offseason (and are not deserving of our support) because we let our 12th man slip away? Isn't it also an exaggeration to say that those who are happy with the front office's moves this offseason are sucking someone's nuts?

The issue some have is this wasn't a front office decision ... it was an ownership decision. Strictly on a basketball basis, the Spurs match.

**samikeyp** · 09-09-2005

I liked Devin and am sorry to see him go. However the Spurs aren't going to win or lose the le over the loss of Devin Brown. So far, the Spurs have been able to be thrifty and in contention. Injuries could cripple this team even if Devin was still here. The Spurs have been good about filling holes in the roster and staying contenders. It will not be easy to stay that way but it never was. Now is not the time to panic.

**Marcus Bryant** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by samikeyp

I liked Devin and am sorry to see him go. However the Spurs aren't going to win or lose the le over the loss of Devin Brown.

...next season. After that, having a Devin Brown around to replace a 55 year old Brent Barry, a retiring NVE or a departing Finley would go a long way to making future les a little easier to obtain.

So far, the Spurs have been able to be thrifty and in contention. Injuries could cripple this team even if Devin was still here. The Spurs have been good about filling holes in the roster and staying contenders.

Not in every offseason. There were some years in which a young guy like DBrown would've seemed like a Godsend.

It will not be easy to stay that way but it never was. Now is not the time to panic.

It's not panicking. It's being pissed off at an ownership that is being cheap and making a bad move for strictly financial reasons.

Losing Devin Brown for nothing is a horrible basketball move. No surprise some here are defending that.

**ZStomp** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by samikeyp

I liked Devin and am sorry to see him go. However the Spurs aren't going to win or lose the le over the loss of Devin Brown. So far, the Spurs have been able to be thrifty and in contention. Injuries could cripple this team even if Devin was still here. The Spurs have been good about filling holes in the roster and staying contenders. It will not be easy to stay that way but it never was. Now is not the time to panic.

That's what I'm talking about. No need to panic.

**Kori Ellis** · 09-09-2005

Isn't it also an exaggeration to say that the FO botched the offseason (and are not deserving of our support) because we let our 12th man slip away?

No one said that.

As a fan of the Spurs, I want what's best for the organization...the business side as well as the basketball side. In my opinion, this is the best possible outcome for all involved.

Well basketball side, this probably wasn't the best thing to happen. Otherwise the Spurs wouldn't have been trying to make a deal.

**tekdragon** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by timvp

The issue some have is this wasn't a front office decision ... it was an ownership decision. Strictly on a basketball basis, the Spurs match.

Fair enough.

There's something to be said for fiscal responsibility, too. The Spurs got where they are today in large part by making sound financial decisions.

Holt might not be perfect, but I wouldn't trade him for Paul Allen or Mark Cuban.

Spending more is not always the best solution.

**timvp** · 09-09-2005

Casey Jacobsen and Matt Barns are two more players that would fill the fifth swingman spot. Get one of the five that I've mentioned and the Spurs should be okay ... even if someone does get injured.

**ChumpDumper** · 09-09-2005

Was Eschmeyer slated for anything other than a 12-man?

Yeah, he was a panic signing after they lost Calvin "Insert Joke Here" Booth as their backup center.

**Kori Ellis** · 09-09-2005

I think Casey Jacobsen is going to the Heat. (Wait, did I read that, or dream that?)

**samikeyp** · 09-09-2005

Losing Devin Brown for nothing is a horrible basketball move. No surprise some here are defending that.

im not defending it...I would have rather him have stayed.

**Kori Ellis** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by samikeyp

im not defending it...I would have rather him have stayed.

Never mind, nice quick edit Mikey.

**timvp** · 09-09-2005

Another thing to consider is remember 2003. The Spurs went into the season with Steve Smith as the starting shooting guard. He sucked and they went with their rookie gem Manu Ginobili. Ginobili struggled as he was still coming back from his ankle injury.

The Spurs didn't find the answer until they went to their sixth swingman option in Stephen Jackson.

For as good as Finley and Van Exel will be, planning for the unexpected is always smart. Having four swingmen on the roster won't cut it.

**samikeyp** · 09-09-2005

Neither is everyone else. Just noting, that next offseason is probably going to be a difficult one.

thanks Kori!.

I didn't want to come across as inflammatory because that was not the intent.

**Kori Ellis** · 09-09-2005

The Spurs will likely sign one of the leftover swingmen to start the season on the inactive list. Be it, Jacobsen, Barnes or whoever.

**Kori Ellis** · 09-09-2005

Originally Posted by samikeyp

I never said anyone was...I was responding to MB's assesment of my post.

Yes, you did. You said "freaking out" and then you edited your post. Don't try to be sly.

**samikeyp** · 09-09-2005

see second edit.

**Kori Ellis** · 09-09-2005

Man MikeyP is editing his posts faster than lightning causing 3 different conversations

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