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He will resign for less than market value to stay with Spurs, two yr contract spurs will make it up to him when salary cap jumps up to 108 mil in three years and when Duncan , Manu retire.
How much do you want to pay for that?
I recall Chris Paul and Monta Ellis torching the out of the Spurs. Where was Danny then?
Look, he's a good player but he's far from irreplaceable. Give me an All Star PF over Green any day.
The comparison to Manu was so wrong, I'm not sure where to start.
He will resign for less than market value to stay with Spurs, two yr contract spurs will make it up to him when salary cap jumps up to 108 mil in three years and when Duncan , Manu retire.
There is no guarantee green produces away from SA. He has shown to fail already. Now I don't think he will be that bad away. But he won't be the same though either. Green has a lot of deficiencies in his game that pop covers up for him. He better make sure he goes to another coach who can do the same. Our else he could look like JR Smith in the finals.
He worked his ass off trying to prove to Pop and the Spurs that he was the guy for the position. Thinking it was the system that made Danny Green is ludicrous
Agree completely. It's like some here are afraid of change. So much that we overrate players to make us feel better.
Ah the truth....
If the Spurs lose Green they lose the matchup advantage with Golden State.
?He worked his ass off trying to prove to Pop and the Spurs that he was the guy for the position. Thinking it was the system that made Danny Green is ludicrous
When Green was allowed to guard Paul and Ellis, he shut them down. I'm not good at bringing up analytics (Chinook or others are better), but I remember watching the games and seeing Green shut down both. And no, until there's an SG in this league who can guard opposing PGs the way Green does, he isn't irreplacable. You surely aren't going to find a player who can get as hot as DG in the Spurs.
And I only mentioned Manu because your criticism against Green is that he makes mistakes. I'm saying so did Manu, but we looked past that because he possessed other good skills. The same should apply to Danny. Also I don't think Green has to leave for Aldridge to come in. Still, since it's looking like Tiago is going to be traded, we really need Danny's defense since Aldridge < Tiago on defense. I've already mentioned there are other few other players that can replace Green and all are demanding or even more a bigger contract than Green. (15 million for Wes Matthews, for example).
Why is your memory limited to Bogans and Jefferson? Are you forgetting Michael Finley and Brent Barry? The Spurs won les with those guys before Danny came around. Things change, its time to move on. Green will get paid, and in my opinion, exposed. He'll be expected to do more for the money he gets paid and won't be able to deliver. He's got a good thing going over here. But this is a business and he should take the $$.
Again, Spurs fans thinking only Pop's system lets players look good.
Comparing him to JR Smith? Good god, some of you re ed.
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What point were you trying to make? That he bombed out of the Cavs because they didn't have the Spurs system?
They also had a prime Duncan and Manu at the time. Don't even compare the two. Basketball was a different game back in 2007 and earlier.
Put Finley and Barry in Green's role today and the Spurs are looking at a 2nd round exit at best.
It helps to forget that the Spurs won with prime Duncan, Manu and Parker... it covers a lot of deficiencies.
Sty putting words in others mouth. I would say pop system has made green look better. As by proof of his struggles in Cleveland and success here.Again, Spurs fans thinking only Pop's system lets players look good.
Comparing him to JR Smith? Good god, some of you re ed.
Like Bruce Bowen once said, early in Manu's career, his mistakes were for all the right reasons (with the exception of the foul on Dirk). Also, he usually made up for those mistakes. We are way past those days now but when Manu was younger he was an X factor and a game changer. The guy is a no-brainer Hall of Famer and one of the greatest Spurs who ever suited up. I think the comparison is just too far off with the mistakes. There were lots of reasons to live with "because he's Manu Ginobili" than there are to forgive Danny Green.
Look what Gary Neal did when he came to the Spurs. He was no where near as good as Danny as far as Defense is concerned but he was every bit the shooter and a much better scorer.
I don't think either guy is replaceable. They won because those guys can single guard guys we need to beat to win it all. How well did LA guard Zbo when he was getting swept but Splitter can. In fact Splitter did the same to LA last year. Unless the advantage we gain with LA on offense can make up that lost defensive efficiency I don't see how that makes them better. We're going back to those Spurs teams that could score but couldn't stop anybody in '09-'11.
WTH are you talking about? Keith Bogans played SF for the Spurs in 2009. Were Duncan, Ginobili and Parker not in their primes 6 years ago?
Manu always made up for his mistakes. You could accept the bad because the good was so much better. He did whatever it took to win. Getting the rebound, pass, assist, or steal. Now that he can't make up for the mistakes he has to adjust to playing more mistake free.
Did the Spurs win a championship with Keith Bogans in their lineup? No.
Also, I was clearly talking about Finley and Barry. And from 2007 and earlier. Don't know WTF you are bringing up 2009 for.
Green's per-36 numbers in Cleveland:
12.5 points, 5.3 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1.9 steals, 0.9 blocks
In SA:
14.1 points, 4.9 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.1 blocks
In college:
17.0 points, 8.5 rebounds, 4.9 assists
In the d-league:
20.1 points, 7.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.6 steals, 1.0 blocks
Seems to me like Green was pretty much Green in Cleveland and pretty much anywhere he's been. The issue in Cleveland is that. couldn't get playing time. I wonder if playing behind the best player in the world had anything to do with that, or having Brown and Scott as coaches. Acting like he all of the sudden became a different player in SA reeks of ignorance of the past. Danny's been a great player everywhere he played, and him getting let go by what was the most dysfunctional team in the league hardly tarnishes that fact.
If Splitter could stay healthy we probably aren't having this conversation. He's too injury prone and his injuries are bizarre. I have a feeling the FO is tired of not knowing what you are going to get from him. I know I am. No one is saying that he isn't important to the Spurs, he's just not reliable and has a low tolerance for pain.
We'll agree to disagree on DG. I just think Spurs fans forget how bad the team was after Bruce left and before Danny/Kawhi came here. I don't think the Spurs can just find any good player and expect him to replace DG so easily and quickly, especially with how piss poor the perimeter defense is outside of Leonard and Green. It has to take a lot of good moves for the Spurs to be able to live without DG's production. I just don't think he's as replaceable as you think. That's one less player with valuable and elite defense, and also elite 3 point shooting (even though he's streaky).
No. Especially not Duncan. He was probably worse in 09-10 than he is now. Also Bogans played the two next to RJ. Finally, that only underscores the point that you can't just trot out crap at that position and expect success. Not only did the Spurs have terrible actual rotation players at that spot from 2007-2011, but they also had a long list of d-leaguers that they trotted through the back end of the roster trying to find a diamond in the rough. It was not easy at all for them to find a productive player at the two.
I don't think per tell the whole story. You could see he wasn't the same type of player.
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