Jack Kelly: No shame: The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

but once they got there, they (army esp.) weren't doing for a couple days because they had no orders

The USCG rescued more people in NO in the two weeks following Katrina t han they did in all the waters they are responsible for in the past three years combined. Not sure where you get "weren't doing " from...

a ship called the USS Baaton sailing off the coast of NO which had a 1000 bed hospital and was capable of producing 100,000 gallons of fresh water per day. None of these assets were utilized by the FEDS

That's right, because the stupid ass (democratic) governor of La. wouldn't authorize it, even when the federal government said "hey, we've got this ship out here that could help."

Why? Because she was worried about the politics of a democratic POS governor having to ask a republican president for help.

[Vashner]

Joe Liberman is the one that put in the bill to form DHS and put FEMA under it..

[The Ressurrected One]

I don't know how some of you can act liked your satisfied to the FED reaction to this crisis. Much more could have been done, much more should have been done. As I posted before in the They Died of Contempt thread there was a ship called the USS Baaton sailing off the coast of NO which had a 1000 bed hospital and was capable of producing 100,000 gallons of fresh water per day. None of these assets were utilized by the FEDS, but people would rather talk about 7,000 imaginary NG troops between Baton Rouge and NO that the Governor supposedly never utilized. They fell for the spin about Iraq, now they are falling for the spin about NO.

I've seen bouton and, now, Nbadan (thanks to MB), throw this out as an example of incompetent federal response to hurricane Katrina. So, let's use this as Exhibit A in demostrating how slanderous, vaccuous, without basis, uneducated, and downright dishonest are the charges from the left and the whackos.

All the following is from the official website of the USS Bataan. Please visit them and see just how busy they've been since deploying off the coast of Louisiana, in response to Hurrican Katrina.

September 05, 2005 GULF OF MEXICO – The multipurpose amphibious assault ship USS Bataan (LHD 5) completed its sixth day...

Let's see. September 5, 2005 minus 6 days...hmmm...yep, they've been on the job since Tuesday, August 30, 2005

...of Hurricane Katrina humanitarian relief efforts in the storm-ravaged Gulf Coast region on Sunday, September 4.

The ship is currently operating 45 miles south of Gulfport , Mississippi and was the first U.S. Navy warship on-station in the Gulf of Mexico . During the first two days of the relief efforts, Bataan steamed 100 miles south of New Orleans and since then she has steamed north to just off the Mississippi coast.

Four MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopters from Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron Fifteen (HM 15), based out of Corpus Christi, Texas, five MH-60 Sea Hawks from Helicopter Sea Control Squadron Twenty-Eight (HSC 28), based out of Norfolk, Va., and Bataan's Air Department have conducted flight operations almost around the clock for six days to assist in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

“We've been extremely busy this past week with more tasks than there are hours in a day,” said Cmdr. Jeffrey Bocchicchio, Bataan 's Air Boss. “The shortest day the department has had was 16 hours long, but they understand that everything we do is critical to the mission.”

"All of the divisions and Combat Cargo working together allows the ship to have a 24-hour flight deck with the manning for 10-hour days,” said Bocchicchio. “Military units are the nation's biggest assets and what better use for them than to save our own people.”

To date, the two squadrons have transported 1,613 displaced people and delivered more than 100,000 pounds of cargo. Bataan also provided 8,000 gallons of fresh drinking water to the ravished Gulfport , Mississippi area. Sailors filled eight 500-gallon water bladders with the ship's potable water and HM 15's MH-53 helicopters transported them from the flight deck of Bataan to land.

The ship also demonstrated her sea power when a Landing Craft Unit from Assault Craft Unit Two (ACU 2), based out of Naval Amphibious Base, Little Creek, Va., went up the Mississippi River to conduct a survey of the river just days after the Hurricane ripped through the area. The LCU was gone for three days before returning to the ship's welldeck.

“Besides looking for navigational aids, our secondary mission was to help evacuate people and help the first responders, such as the Coast Guardsmen and policemen,” said Chief Warrant Officer William Fish, ACU 2 detachment Officer in Charge. “We could have provided meals, shelter and electricity if someone would have needed it.”

With all of the injured and ill refugees strewn throughout the Gulf Coast , medical personnel are in short supply. A team of 84 medical professionals from the Navy's Casualty Receiving and Treatment Ship Team Eight (CRTS 8) based out of Naval Hospital Jacksonville, Fla., embarked Bataan Friday to assist in hurricane relief medical operations. On Saturday and Sunday, 56 members of CRTS 8 medical fly away team left Bataan to provide medical support to Hurricane Katrina survivors at the New Orleans Convention Center , New Orleans International Airport and Biloxi High School in Mississippi .

Bataan 's involvement in the humanitarian assistance operations is an effort led by the Department of Defense (DoD) in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

And, as far as not utilizing the ships hospital beds...ground hospitals were just as close, victims were flown there instead.

STFU...

[The Ressurrected One]

Joe Liberman is the one that put in the bill to form DHS and put FEMA under it..

I was wondering if anyone would recall that Bush was initially opposed to the new bureaucracy suggested by the left's call for a DHS.

[The Ressurrected One]

Well? Can we expect bouton and Nbadan to retract their baseless smear on the U.S.S. Bataan and all of her capable sailors?

[boutons]

TRO,

I said nothing about USS Bataan.

And I bet you $100 I "support the troops" better than you.

[The Ressurrected One]

TRO,

I said nothing about USS Bataan.

If you'll look at post #14 in this thread http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24545. Maybe you should search your own words before you deny something. Or, of course, it could be that you just regurgitate the leftist talking points without even reading them.

And I bet you $100 I "support the troops" better than you.

WTF?

[The Ressurrected One]

What's the matter, boutons?

[The Ressurrected One]

I'm not letting this thread die, you prick bas s...

Krugman is one of the principal spewers of Leftist rhetoric. You'd think he would have at least checked the USS Bataan's website before he started making up.

Boutons and Nbadan are the two biggest Bush-haters in this forum and I think the rest of this Spurstalk community needs to hold them accountable for the nonsense they post.

[mookie2001]

but TRO has one of those ribbons!

[The Ressurrected One]

but TRO has one of those ribbons!

What ribbon would that be?

[The Ressurrected One]

Just in case anyone missed the dispelling of the myth that USS Bataan sat doing nothing:

I don't know how some of you can act liked your satisfied to the FED reaction to this crisis. Much more could have been done, much more should have been done. As I posted before in the They Died of Contempt thread there was a ship called the USS Baaton sailing off the coast of NO which had a 1000 bed hospital and was capable of producing 100,000 gallons of fresh water per day. None of these assets were utilized by the FEDS, but people would rather talk about 7,000 imaginary NG troops between Baton Rouge and NO that the Governor supposedly never utilized. They fell for the spin about Iraq, now they are falling for the spin about NO.

I've seen bouton and, now, Nbadan (thanks to MB), throw this out as an example of incompetent federal response to hurricane Katrina. So, let's use this as Exhibit A in demostrating how slanderous, vaccuous, without basis, uneducated, and downright dishonest are the charges from the left and the whackos.

All the following is from the official website of the USS Bataan. Please visit them and see just how busy they've been since deploying off the coast of Louisiana, in response to Hurrican Katrina.

September 05, 2005 GULF OF MEXICO – The multipurpose amphibious assault ship USS Bataan (LHD 5) completed its sixth day...

Let's see. September 5, 2005 minus 6 days...hmmm...yep, they've been on the job since Tuesday, August 30, 2005

...of Hurricane Katrina humanitarian relief efforts in the storm-ravaged Gulf Coast region on Sunday, September 4.

The ship is currently operating 45 miles south of Gulfport , Mississippi and was the first U.S. Navy warship on-station in the Gulf of Mexico . During the first two days of the relief efforts, Bataan steamed 100 miles south of New Orleans and since then she has steamed north to just off the Mississippi coast.

Four MH-53E Sea Dragon helicopters from Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron Fifteen (HM 15), based out of Corpus Christi, Texas, five MH-60 Sea Hawks from Helicopter Sea Control Squadron Twenty-Eight (HSC 28), based out of Norfolk, Va., and Bataan's Air Department have conducted flight operations almost around the clock for six days to assist in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

“We've been extremely busy this past week with more tasks than there are hours in a day,” said Cmdr. Jeffrey Bocchicchio, Bataan 's Air Boss. “The shortest day the department has had was 16 hours long, but they understand that everything we do is critical to the mission.”

"All of the divisions and Combat Cargo working together allows the ship to have a 24-hour flight deck with the manning for 10-hour days,” said Bocchicchio. “Military units are the nation's biggest assets and what better use for them than to save our own people.”

To date, the two squadrons have transported 1,613 displaced people and delivered more than 100,000 pounds of cargo. Bataan also provided 8,000 gallons of fresh drinking water to the ravished Gulfport , Mississippi area. Sailors filled eight 500-gallon water bladders with the ship's potable water and HM 15's MH-53 helicopters transported them from the flight deck of Bataan to land.

The ship also demonstrated her sea power when a Landing Craft Unit from Assault Craft Unit Two (ACU 2), based out of Naval Amphibious Base, Little Creek, Va., went up the Mississippi River to conduct a survey of the river just days after the Hurricane ripped through the area. The LCU was gone for three days before returning to the ship's welldeck.

“Besides looking for navigational aids, our secondary mission was to help evacuate people and help the first responders, such as the Coast Guardsmen and policemen,” said Chief Warrant Officer William Fish, ACU 2 detachment Officer in Charge. “We could have provided meals, shelter and electricity if someone would have needed it.”

With all of the injured and ill refugees strewn throughout the Gulf Coast , medical personnel are in short supply. A team of 84 medical professionals from the Navy's Casualty Receiving and Treatment Ship Team Eight (CRTS 8) based out of Naval Hospital Jacksonville, Fla., embarked Bataan Friday to assist in hurricane relief medical operations. On Saturday and Sunday, 56 members of CRTS 8 medical fly away team left Bataan to provide medical support to Hurricane Katrina survivors at the New Orleans Convention Center , New Orleans International Airport and Biloxi High School in Mississippi .

Bataan 's involvement in the humanitarian assistance operations is an effort led by the Department of Defense (DoD) in conjunction with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

And, as far as not utilizing the ships hospital beds...ground hospitals were just as close, victims were flown there instead.

STFU...

[The Ressurrected One]

That lying mofo boutons has joined Nbadan on my ignore list...

[The Ressurrected One]

bumped for bouton...I will take you off ignore to see your response to this thread.

[boutons]

TRO,

You little dip twerp, I said nothing about Bataan.
Please keep me on your ignore list.
You'll be worse off for it.

And I "support the troops" a of a lot more than you (but you'll never figure out why, dumbass)

[hussker]

The buses were already IN the city before the hurricane hit. They were actually THERE. The local government had control enough of them to release their use immediatly. No one was holding them from using them. They simply weren't used.

Come on UU666, don't you know by now that people here think Halliburton and KBR drove those buses into those parking spaces under the shroud of darkness for the photo op? Ask some on this forum, they will tell you it is true...

SARCASM SARCASM SARCASM (just wanted to make it clear)

[The Ressurrected One]

TRO,

You little dip twerp, I said nothing about Bataan.
Please keep me on your ignore list.
You'll be worse off for it.

And I "support the troops" a of a lot more than you (but you'll never figure out why, dumbass)

You posted that lying-ass article by Paul Krugman. Check the link you scrotum-licking, ass-sucking, bag-o- .

I'll leave you off ignore just to see what you call me next...oh, and possibly to see your retraction or admission.

[boutons]

Oh, KRUGMAN's reference to Bataan? Hey, play your gotcha games with Paul, his email is [email protected].

Even if his Bataan reference was inaccurate, the point of his article (you did get his point, did you not?) is valid and not dependent on his Bataan reference.

If you believe every word of every military press release as papally infallible, esp when the is hitting the fan like last week, then let me find out for you how to contact Pat Tillman's family.

[The Ressurrected One]

Oh, KRUGMAN's reference to Bataan? Hey, play your gotcha games with Paul, his email is [email protected].

I, and many others, already have.

Even if his Bataan reference was inaccurate, the point of his article (you did get his point, did you not?) is valid and not dependent on his Bataan reference.

If you believe every word of every military press release as papally infallible, esp when the is hitting the fan like last week, then let me find out for you how to contact Pat Tillman's family.

Not true, he used the Bataan as a principal example. It was wrong. The rest of his article is called into question.

And you perpetuated the fallacy.

Face it, the federal response to this disaster has been unprecedented in its scope and breadth...and, unrivaled in history. It is only due to the incompetence of Louisiana officials, who now try to project blame on the federal government, that anyone is even questioning the federal response.

By the way, name a time when the Republicans ever attacked the federal response to any disaster under President Clinton? I think the Democrats have set a new low for partisan attacks.

[Hook Dem]

The buses were already IN the city before the hurricane hit. They were actually THERE. The local government had control enough of them to release their use immediatly. No one was holding them from using them. They simply weren't used.

Dan posted in another thread that the mayor had no authority to use those buses. Ask him where he ever got such a notion.

[SpursWoman]

By the way, name a time when the Republicans ever attacked the federal response to any disaster under President Clinton? I think the Democrats have set a new low for partisan attacks.

Natural or man-made?

[The Ressurrected One]

Natural or man-made?

I guess that would depend on how you define those two terms. But, my inference is that Republicans have never attacked Clinton -- or any Democrat, for that matter -- over their administration's response to a disaster, not of their own making.

[boutons]

"name a time when the Republicans ever attacked the federal response to any disaster under President Clinton?"

Clinton/Dems treated FEMA seriously, and built it up over the 90s. Shrub even complimented the job the Dems did with FEMA.

But after 5 years under Repug political hacks, FEMA is run down and ed up. Katrina was a superb chance for shrub to shine and bounce higher than a dead cat.

Had shrub had Allen types running FEMA these last 5 years, shrub would look pretty damn fantastic this week, rather than resorting the his habitual Rove-sliming of NO/LA while rejecting all accountability.

And I would have congratulated him as competent, for once. (I even admire the extreme competence shrub/Repugs deploy when cutting taxes for the rich and corps, in the same way I admire the unimaginable brilliance and dedication of the 9/11 attackers. If only we had that kind of brilliance and dedication on our side. Instead we have ... shrub/Repugs. )

Alas, this week, by shrub's own handiwork, he's a bounceless dead cat. thunk!

The Repug King has no clothes, and even the Repug faithful are starting to see that.

[The Ressurrected One]

"name a time when the Republicans ever attacked the federal response to any disaster under President Clinton?"

Clinton/Dems treated FEMA seriously, and built it up over the 90s. Shrub even complimented the job the Dems did with FEMA.

But after 5 years under Repug political hacks, FEMA is run down and ed up. Katrina was a superb chance for shrub to shine and bounce higher than a dead cat.

Had shrub had Allen types running FEMA these last 5 years, shrub would look pretty damn fantastic this week, rather than resorting the his habitual Rove-sliming of NO/LA while rejecting all accountability.

And I would have congratulated him as competent, for once. (I even admire the extreme competence shrub/Repugs deploy when cutting taxes for the rich and corps, in the same way I admire the unimaginable brilliance and dedication of the 9/11 attackers. If only we had that kind of brilliance and dedication on our side. Instead we have ... shrub/Repugs. )

Alas, this week, by shrub's own handiwork, he's a bounceless dead cat. thunk!

The Repug King has no clothes, and even the Repug faithful are starting to see that.

Okay, that didn't answer the question, and thank you for reposing it ahead of your response. I guess we can add irrelevant responses to your quiver of dim-wittedness.

[SpursWoman]

I guess that would depend on how you define those two terms. But, my inference is that Republicans have never attacked Clinton -- or any Democrat, for that matter -- over their administration's response to a disaster, not of their own making.

Did Clinton get a lot of for not showing up in Oklahoma City for 4 days after the bombing?