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What's dumb about choosing to subscribe to a tracking device?
There's a big difference between "I want OnStar" and "Everyone should have to have OnStar." That's not baby steps, that's miles and miles.
What does LA have to do with Onstar? How are people's privacy concerns being intruded upon? NO ONE is FORCED to have Onstar on their vehicle! If you want it , you have to PAY for it!!! You, the consumer make the choice on if you want it or not. Nobody's putting a chip in your skull.
What's dumb about choosing to subscribe to a tracking device?
There's a big difference between "I want OnStar" and "Everyone should have to have OnStar." That's not baby steps, that's miles and miles.
the info is obtained through the equipment on the vehicle, even if its not being paid for, you just cant call if you havent paid, but if youre lost and havent paid, call up with your cc info and theyll tell where you are
police use it all the time to track stolen cars, they dont need the OnStar* service
ok i see your points, and they make sense
but its not a "wild accusation" and its not "miles and miles"
wild implies it could never happen, when in fact any with time and knowledge can crack into a private computer system and leech information (someone did it to UT and stole thousands of SSN's, including mine)
how far a step away from the ordinary is it to have the government hire independent hackers to get information from private companies?
its not as wild as some of you think
Onstar* in itself is not bad, but every time i see those commercials i cant help but see the malicious intent behind it
Unless you can reactivate your account.
If not, then this thing only monitors the people who allow themselves to be monitored. If a thief can disable it, what good is it? It will only be (mis)used to hurt the law-abiding users, like a handgun registry.
Mookie, what are you talking about? If the government(whatever that is) wants, they would just follow you around in their black vans. If you believe the government is out to get you that badly, then there is no hope for you. If you think it's leading down that road, then by all means run for office or support those who will uphold the ideals that a consumer service will lead to the Matrix.
Of course, the easy solution is that if you don't like it, don't buy an OnStar-equipped vehicle.
I think you're missing the point. There is no malicious intent behind it. It's just a service provided to consumers who are willing to pay for it.
its not!
people always bring that up
no IM NOT ON THE FBI top 10 list, but where does it end and where does it start?
if youre a terrorist yes, a speeder no, a burglary yes, protesting outside a protesting zone
who decides this
they have the ability to
and people pay for it
and they are fools
I don't think it's a wild theory at all, I think it's very plausible.
But they won't be encouraging people to subscribe when they decide to use it as a government tool. They'll be MAKING people subscribe, or making automobile manufacturers include it as standard service.
Did you know that OBDIII can tell the dealership that you installed aftermarket products and/or disabled the emmision equipment on the vehicle?
As usual, technology provides new services, but opens up new cans of worms.
this is how it starts spurm
if its info, and it goes through space, its a government tool
how can yall not understand this?
Vote with your pocketbook & don't pay for Onstar or an onstar-equipped vehicle if you don't like it.
If the government tried to push this as mandatory, I would be opposed. I agree totally that it should not be used in that fashion.
The bottom line is, at the end of the day, if we've been through years of Onstar* as an optional service, and enough parents get to the point where they think its necessary, and it goes to a vote to become mandatory, then we're ed.
But parents will never get to the point of thinking it will be mandatory without first being given stuff like this as an option
Isn't Onstar* only on GM vehicles?
So do you condone banning OnStar from people who want it as an option?
Maybe all of the conspiracies and ideas people like me (and more extreme) come up with, is a direct result of the technological explosion. Maybe possibilities like this are inevitable with all the incredibly advanced devices and breakthroughs out there.
But the fact remains -- With people using, accepting, TOLERATING onstar*, we are just that much closer to a state of living only read about in science fiction books. Not one step further!
There will always be kids who are smarter than their parents and there will always be geeks able to disable any such contraption...status quo.
The dumb will continue to get busted while the smart will get away with it. The good will continue to have nothing to worry about while the bad will continue to try and beat the system...with some success and some failure.
Okay, but what should we do about it?
So if you have Sirius or XM radio, couldn't the big bad government track you that way if they wanted to?
refuse to buy any gm vehicle with the COMPONENTS of On-Star*
if you actually pay for the service, god help us all
I just don't see Onstar like that. Agree to disagree here.
^s y naturally xm and others isnt advertised as a way to track your vehicle
i would never get it
but you can go into a store and buy that cash
not OnStar*
possibly
none of my friends are rich enough to have that though
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