I agree that Mills is great offense but can't say he's an incredible play maker. I don't really know much about McCallum. Much of it hinges on whether last year was just a down year on Parker's part or if he's in serious decline.
But to answer your question, Curry and Livingston are pretty good.
And the Cavs who have Kyrie, and then can let LeBron play point when he's out, plus Delly. They are pretty fearsome. But, of course, if you're going to expand the play makers beyond just pgs for this discussion we can add Manu and to some extent Boris on our own team.
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Yes. I am a fan of his game, not of his ting around w/ player's wives, but his game for sure. Hopefully he will get some rest, stay injury free, and be a little embarassed by his game last season. Hopefully he's got a little to prove to himself and some pride.
Half those names are fools gold. Players with stats on a bad team. We don't pg scoring this year. We need floor captains. Mr dribble dribble is good at that. Congrats to you if you want to build a team around a ball dominant pg. We're talking about a stacked team
Player obsessed fans hating on MVParker per par.
I am a big Porky fan but tbh he is not top 10 right now, off the top of my head here are 10 PGs I'd take ahead of him as of now based on last season:
1. Curry
2. Westbrook
3. Paul
4. Dragic
5. Wall
6. Irving
7. Bledsoe
8. Jackson
9. Lawson
10. Knight
Some may disagree but I'd take any one of those guys over 2015 TP.
Another fools gold Iist. God dang, are you gonna let kawhi and Aldridge get touches? Can all those guys run the spurs offense? yes I'd take curry or Westbrook on a generic team, but for this team, with this offense I only take 3,4,5 from your list
K just stop. Embarrassing yourself already.
You realize Jackson/Lawson/Knight are all way better at generating assists than Parker right? It's not like these players are all ball hogging chuckers. And like I said, I'm a Parker fan, but he is not a top 10 PG. I'm not addressing "what PGs you'd rather have besides TP running the show?" I'm addressing whether or not TP is a top 10 PG and he is not anymore unfortunately. There's nothing wrong with admitting that tbh. I'm not one of the ones that starts Enrique bashing threads or anything, I've always defended Parker tbh. Take your homer glasses off dude. Parker running the team is fine as long as he's not trying to put up 20 shots a game like he was vs. LAC...
Good points, but you always have to take Curry. He can excel almost anywhere and he's a talent coaches adjust their own "systems" for.
Like Pop will do for LMA. The System will be tweaked for his talent.
Parker needs to have a renaissance of sorts and evolve his game for the betterment of the team. No doubt.
If TP can get back to a top 10 PG, Spurs will have a top 10 guard rotation and that is more than enough with the rest of the talent.
Agree, there's nothing I'd like more than for him to have a resurgent year and get back to form. But he has been declining the last two seasons. It's not really debatable and advanced stats show just how abysmal he was on the court for us. I really hope he can focus more on being a leader and floor general because he doesn't need to put up 18-20 shots a game for us anymore
It's a big if, but not out of the question by any means. He needs to focus on his "old" body like Tim did a few years ago and change his game a bit by learning to choose his battles and be more of a "cog"- as said by Tim about himself nowadays.
IF he can do that, and I believe he can and maybe even wants to- then you are absolutely correct.
As usual.
Exactly. Jackson, Walker, Evans (or Holiday) are below Parker. A few of the others are simply DH's.
For the amount that he is getting paid...he shouldn't need to have a bounce back season. Dude should be playing consistent and at a high level every season for all that $$$
Hate aside, it's alarming how many Spurs fans still don't realize how much Parker has declined since 2013, tbh.. Not only was he not even close to being a top 10 PG last year, he was very likely one PG the 5 worst starters at the position..fortunately, the Spurs didn't need him to be great in 2014, and they only need him to be average, this year..
PersonAlly, I hope he doesn't try to become an All-Star level PG again, it would probably kill the team..the PG position sees an ugly decline, unless you have a niche like shooting or a heavy size advantage like Jason Kidd..
Parker needs to accept being a role player that runs the offense and shots open jump shots, this team has too many weapons..they would be better off with a Calderon-type, but Parker is the only PG that can run the offense, we are stuck with him, hopefully he accepts reality and his role..
I want to make it clear, I'm not a Parker hater. That list IS pure analytics and it's open for debate. You can't truthfully dismiss anyone on that list that's just being objective. Some may say this or that point guard should be higher or lower but they're all in the discussion. Someone who says they'd rather have Parker I'm not going to say you're wrong. This is just as of right now. Obviously, any list is fluid. I do know this, Joseph had an opportunity to take the back up spot but his lack of assertiveness on offense opened it back up for Mills to do what he does. That won't be the case with McCallum. This kid believes in himself and if Mills has a cold streak again...it's the kids spot. As someone already mentioned, if Parker gets injured or rests McCallum will start and he won't disappoint.
No way we have one of the worst PGs in the league. And I don't even know who McCollum is.
Dropping nukes per usualHate aside, it's alarming how many Spurs fans still don't realize how much Parker has declined since 2013, tbh
PersonAlly, I hope he doesn't try to become an All-Star level PG again, it would probably kill the team..the PG position sees an ugly decline, unless you have a niche like shooting or a heavy size advantage like Jason Kidd..
Parker needs to accept being a role player that runs the offense and shots open jump shots, this team has too many weapons..they would be better off with a Calderon-type, but Parker is the only PG that can run the offense, we are stuck with him, hopefully he accepts reality and his role..
Parker follows Duncan’s lead with rigorous offseason regimen
Posted on June 17, 2015 | BY DAN MCCARNEY
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...en/#32417101=0
Absolutely. His current ceiling is being a very good role player who can have some stellar nights, but is now a "cog" in the machine, not the engine.Hate aside, it's alarming how many Spurs fans still don't realize how much Parker has declined since 2013, tbh
PersonAlly, I hope he doesn't try to become an All-Star level PG again, it would probably kill the team..the PG position sees an ugly decline, unless you have a niche like shooting or a heavy size advantage like Jason Kidd..
Parker needs to accept being a role player that runs the offense and shots open jump shots, this team has too many weapons..they would be better off with a Calderon-type, but Parker is the only PG that can run the offense, we are stuck with him, hopefully he accepts reality and his role..
I should certainly hope so.
All kidding aside, its alarming that many Spurs fan still don't realize how important Parker is to this team. It's unfortunate that this premiere PG, whose pick and roll style has been stifled with bigs that are either not at the top of their game anymore or constantly on the injured list. Fortunately, the Spurs signed a big that can compliment his offensive style and return back to his stellar form this year.Hate aside, it's alarming how many Spurs fans still don't realize how much Parker has declined since 2013, tbh
PersonAlly, I hope he doesn't try to become an All-Star level PG again, it would probably kill the team..the PG position sees an ugly decline, unless you have a niche like shooting or a heavy size advantage like Jason Kidd..
Parker needs to accept being a role player that runs the offense and shots open jump shots, this team has too many weapons..they would be better off with a Calderon-type, but Parker is the only PG that can run the offense, we are stuck with him, hopefully he accepts reality and his role..
Personally, I can't wait to see him run the PnR with Aldridge and West and return to All-Star level PG again, it should ignite this team. The PG position sees an ugly decline if you don't have the type of PG that can get to the rim or shoot the open jumper and not a heavy PG like Jason Kidd, Derek Fisher or Chauncey Billups that could only shoot three pointers at the tail end of their career.
Parker needs to accept that he is the head of the snake that runs this offense and if he can get to the rim or take the open J then this team will have too any weapons. Parker is the best PG on this team and one of the best in the NBA, with the right personnel on this team he can return to his old role.
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