Who's the Alpha?

[ceperez]

Pecking order should be

1. Timmy
2. LA
3. Kawhi
4. Enrique
5. Manu

Why isn't Diaw on the list????? Do you folks remember the 'elimination' party? Guess who was calling the shots... Boris Diaw.

On the cout the guys who really run the team are Parker, Manu and Diaw. Everyone else are just guys who finish plays.

[SPURt]

Lol that's not alpha dummy.

For example in okc Westbrook is alpha eventhou Durant is the most formidable player.

Now if you want to know who will be the more formidable player its Aldridge by a million miles.

Kawhi is a good 2nd banana that's all.

I'd still go Durant, both max, same debate

[SPURt]

I understand how you think now. No mention of D. Disregard 50% of the game and then your way of thinking makes more sense.

Kawhi is a better defender than Duncan at this stage, I'm fairly confident in that, but what do I know?

[ceperez]

I can't see how Aldrige can be the 'Alpha' if he's the only one in the rotation without a ring.

He's never been in the WCF or finals. He's got zero creds from the point of view of all the other members of the team.

[PingPong]

Manu Ginobola
Porker
Dancan
Danny Green
Patty Mills (when confident)
West
Bonner
Kawhi
Aldridge

[DrSteffo]

Kawhi is a better defender than Duncan at this stage, I'm fairly confident in that, but what do I know?

Yes but remove Duncan from this team and what rim protection is there? Nada. A combination of leadership skills, experience and history, skill on O and D probably makes someone the leader among players. On the Spurs it's clearly Tim Duncan.

[Brazil]

Well, I think what I've learned is objectivity is in short supply with fans. I stated in my original post that the Spurs have two max players, which would imply they are getting max contracts for on court contribution. Luckily the front office doesn't pay for legacy alone like the Lakers. I was looking for more of a basketball conversation, but people want to talk about feelings and nostalgia. Which is all good. Tim Duncan is my favorite Spur, so I can't complain too much with the consensus.

Being a max player does not equal being Alpha

Nostalgia ? the you are talking about... Duncan was last year Spurs best player and I'm talking about basketball here. Luckily for us he won't be anymore the best player starting next season even though one can wonder, but discussing Duncan and bb is not a nostalgia... far from it

[stnick2261]

Have you ever seen Duncan get into alpha mode. You must be young. Duncan is just one of those strong silent types, but he is Alpha in every sense of the word. He just one of those guys that have to make a statement all time because he knows he is the MAN.

I am not young... I've followed Duncan his whole NBA career. Duncan being a strong silent type is exactly why I don't consider him an Alpha personality. People confuse alpha personalities as being the leader. Alpha personalities are people who DESIRE to be the leader. If you look at the Myer-Briggs personalities... I would guess Duncan to be an INTJ (the Mastermind):

"Trying to anticipate every contingency, Masterminds never set off on their current project without a Plan A firmly in mind, but they are always prepared to switch to Plan B or C or D if need be. Although they are highly capable leaders, Masterminds are not at all eager to take command, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once they take charge, however, they are thoroughgoing pragmatists. Masterminds are certain that efficiency is indispensable in a well-run organization, and if they encounter inefficiency-any waste of human and material resources-they are quick to realign operations and reassign personnel."

I do believe Duncan is the best leader on the team, but not the one who desires to be the face of the team (like Aldridge considering joining a poor Suns team so he could be the face of the franchise).

[EIC]

Kawhi does not have the "alpha" personality of a Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Paul, etc. He clearly wants to be the quiet, role-player type who is talented and productive, but is not in the limelight. He is most comfortable in the shadows.

The "downside" of this personality is that it makes it tough for guys like Kawhi to be a leader. People want to follow the "rah-rah" type, which he is not. The "upside" is that you don't have to worry about Kawhi feuding with other talented players on the team, even the "alpha" types. Kawhi will be happy (grateful?) to let them be the loud, all-eyes-on-me type, while Kawhi quietly does his thing. Meanwhile, the alpha types like playing with Kawhi types because they can hold their own, make the team better, but don't want to steal the spotlight. It's a great combo.

[hater]

I am not young... I've followed Duncan his whole NBA career. Duncan being a strong silent type is exactly why I don't consider him an Alpha personality. People confuse alpha personalities as being the leader. Alpha personalities are people who DESIRE to be the leader. If you look at the Myer-Briggs personalities... I would guess Duncan to be an INTJ (the Mastermind):

"Trying to anticipate every contingency, Masterminds never set off on their current project without a Plan A firmly in mind, but they are always prepared to switch to Plan B or C or D if need be. Although they are highly capable leaders, Masterminds are not at all eager to take command, preferring to stay in the background until others demonstrate their inability to lead. Once they take charge, however, they are thoroughgoing pragmatists. Masterminds are certain that efficiency is indispensable in a well-run organization, and if they encounter inefficiency-any waste of human and material resources-they are quick to realign operations and reassign personnel."

I do believe Duncan is the best leader on the team, but not the one who desires to be the face of the team (like Aldridge considering joining a poor Suns team so he could be the face of the franchise).

so mutes can never be alphas?

right

[spurraider21]

Duncan

[stnick2261]

so mutes can never be alphas?

right

Just how re ed are you?

The ability to speak has nothing to do with the desire to lead.

Muteness or mutism (from Latin mutus, meaning "silent") is an inability to speak often caused by a speech disorder, hearing loss, or surgery. Someone who is mute may be so due to the unwillingness to speak in certain social situations.

Just like being introverted / extroverted has nothing to do with your basketball skills

[Silver&Black]

Here is the true order.

1. Timmy
2. Timmy
3. Timmy
4. Timmy
5. Pop, with the permission of Timmy

[SAGirl]

You said it. Sometimes Mills will be on fire and his unspoken at ude just communicates: "DOn't worry about it, you just get me an open shot and I got this." Love that guy!

[callo1]

TD PERIOD!

[dabom]

Is there such thing as an Alpha Hog? If so then Parker, Tony Parker.

[dabom]

Kawhi is the alpha. Pop saw his alphaness after his first year for SA.

[SPURt]

Being a max player does not equal being Alpha

Nostalgia ? the you are talking about... Duncan was last year Spurs best player and I'm talking about basketball here. Luckily for us he won't be anymore the best player starting next season even though one can wonder, but discussing Duncan and bb is not a nostalgia... far from it

We were awful without Kawhi during the year and winning a lot of games down the stretch with him. Let's not re-write history to fit an agenda. Kawhi is a max player with the Spurs for a reason. I will concede Duncan was the best player on the Spurs in the Clippers series.

[Godbama]

Boban Marjanovic

duh

[SPURt]

[Godbama]

[Brazil]

I will concede Duncan was the best player on the Spurs in the Clippers series.

and on the regular season

[dabom]

and on the regular season

Kawhi was.

[dabom]

We paper tigers when kawhi sits.

[dabom]

3rd in RPM last year.