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most nba fans out there would give their left arm to follow a team that wins 5 championships within their lifetime.
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most nba fans out there would give their left arm to follow a team that wins 5 championships within their lifetime.
Most teams don't have tim Duncan on the team. No Duncan = no pop
usual ty posters calling out Pop
pop is one of the main reason Duncan stayed with Spurs so without him we are short at least 4
Spur fan so ungrateful. If Pop doesn't move Diaw to the starting lineup, there's not even a 5.
Of course Enrique suckers are gots. Player fans. Lol
When you talk to people who work with Pop they sing his praises. I don't like how he went about firing Bob Hill, but outside of that -- his results speak volumes. The league watches him and how he do -- and that says it all. I hope he writes a book. I'll be one of the first to enjoy it.
All in all, Pop make Tim Duncan era an underachiever one with all those giveaways...
They aren't saying that Pop isn't the reason for Duncan stayed with the Spurs, they're asking is if Pop could win without Tim.
pop is one of the main reason Duncan stayed with Spurs so without him we are short at least 4
Phil won everything with different teams and different players, he was a wonderful manager of difficult personalities like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq...Could Pop do the same?
Pop could have dealt with a Jordan-Shaq-Kobe-type, their egos, conflict agendas, contrasting personalities, instead of quiet guys like Tim, Kawhi or Aldridge?
He could have dealt with the pressure of big markets like Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston?
We never know it and that's why people question him.
we could have had 8 les if it wasn't for Pop
And who coaches us to those 8? The same dip s who incessantly whine about him? Rofl.
If he didn't move Tim to the bench in the last seconds of 2013 Finals they could have won 5.
If he would have played a healthy Patty Mills more minutes than Tony Parker on one leg against the Clippers, they could have won 6.
People aren't ungrateful just for say he made mistakes.
He hasn't done for the Spurs since 2014. <---blue font
Yeah, he did up with that hack deandre , but Spurs always say WE no matter who s up. He had some poor in-game decisions but he is the best when it comes to basically everything else related to coaching.
He will call players soft but question him when it comes to choices and he will either ignore you, say something snarky or say "it worked before" etc..
Can't have it allpeople sometimes up and are assholes no matter how great they are.
Oh ok pop is not perfect... No Sherlock
But he has that sense of self-criticism?
Like TheGoldStandard said he called his players soft but we never heard I made a bad move, I made a mistake or something like that.
I get the feeling that's just a persona he gives to the media and he's less that way around the players. I imagine he might even admit he makes mistakes to them.
I can't give Pop #1 simply for the fact that he can't win back-to-back which people say is the toughest thing to do. Also he's blown some pretty bad leads in the playoffs. PJ was a ridiculous 48-0 when he won game 1. That can't just be attributed to luck and great players. Basically when he had the better team he won. He had a killer instinct. Didn't give playoff series away. The same can't be said for Pop's teams. Remember the blown 2-0 leads in '04 and '12.
Pop wouldn't be in the league if he didn't draft duncan. FTFY.
he would absolutely be in the league. but he wouldn't have had the same success ( les) without Duncan. Neither would Phil Jackson without Kobe, Shaq, MJ, etc. You need talent to be good in the league. Pop would still be a good coach, but when he says "the smartest thing I ever did was draft Duncan" he's 100% correct
That being said, Pop is obviously one of the 10 best coaches of all time. wouldn't trade him for anybody else
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That's solid backup. As much as I'd like to asterisk all of PJ's les, it'd be hypocritical. Other than Detroit, I can't think of a champion that didn't have one or more true superstars.
Re: No Duncan=No Pop
You could also turn that around to: No Pop=No Duncan.
There was a time when Duncan had an offer to leave SA for more money. He and Pop had a heart-to-heart and Duncan stayed. He loves Pop and if Pop had retired years ago, left for a bigger market like LA and the wine country or been fired, I think Duncan might have been persuaded to leave SA as well. Instead he has settled into a mutual admiration society with Pop and makes sure everyone who comes onto the team realizes that they have to buy into the Spurs/Pop's system to be successful here.
I dislike his taste in wine tbqh.
Moving Boris Diaw into the middle, and letting him distribute, right in the middle of the playoffs, was the single greatest coaching adjustment I've ever seen. Boris wound up leading the Spurs in AST's in the finals. Making that kind of change during the regular season is one thing. Doing it during the playoffs takes balls, as well as genius.
Pop also made the decision to cut Tim's minutes, to save him for the playoffs and prolong his career. There just aren't many (any?) other coaches who would keep their eyes on the prize, and rest one of the best to ever play the game.
Well said!
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