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    Kawhi is a really good role player that can play at a high level every other game or so but he doesn't have the offensive ability that most fans are looking for to be an All-Star moreso an NBA MVP. He needs to realize his strength is on the defensive side and focus on making that his staple. And if he can become a good three point shooter plus gets some turnovers for easy fast break points then even better. At this point he is the third/fourth offensive option on this team and thats probably where he should stay, at least until Duncan/Parker retire.
    This will be the only time I address you. Also, I'm assuming you're up there in age and a 'casual' spurs fan so please forgive me as I talk down to you. I will attempt to educate you, using this tool called the google. Kawhi has a career .496 FG shooting percentage, this stat means he makes pretty much half the shots he takes. Tim Duncan for example has a career .506 FG shooting percentage. The two stats are very similar. Duncan plays Power forward/Center, that means he plays in the post and usually takes shots closer to the rim. Kawhi is a Small forward, this means he plays on the perimeter, which is further from the rim. Now, picture yourself jumping out of bed in the middle of the night trying to make it to the restroom. Standing right over the toilet, would you say it would be easier to not piss all over the floor then if you were across the room? Yes, of course which translates to, the further a player is from the basket the more his shooting percentage drops. Kawhi's career FG% is nearly identical to Duncan's.

    You mentioned Kawhi "needs to realize his strength is on the defensive side and focus on making that his staple" an asinine statement that almost makes me think you're a troll. You see grandpa, you must've fallen asleep when they handed him the defensive player of the year trophy. Did you miss the Spurs highlights the next morning on Kens5 after we won the championship in which he won the Finals MVP while guarding Lebron James?

    Third/Fourth best option? Role player? Please old timer, go quietly into the night.

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    Of course they do. I'm sure they have a great relationship as Manu is one of the best teammates ever and Kawhi is a receptive person.

    I'm just saying, I haven't seen a whole lot of on-court interaction between them. In fact I've seen less of that than I have Tony/Kawhi, and a lot less than Tim/Kawhi.

    I just thought it was interesting. I wasn't trying to infer anything about the two...
    Well, it's possible that we just legitimately see things differently. I've seen Manu and KL actively work together on the court. The emnity between TP and KL is pretty glaring to me.

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    This will be the only time I address you. Also, I'm assuming you're up there in age and a 'casual' spurs fan so please forgive me as I talk down to you. I will attempt to educate you, using this tool called the google. Kawhi has a career .496 FG shooting percentage, this stat means he makes pretty much half the shots he takes. Tim Duncan for example has a career .506 FG shooting percentage. The two stats are very similar. Duncan plays Power forward/Center, that means he plays in the post and usually takes shots closer to the rim. Kawhi is a Small forward, this means he plays on the perimeter, which is further from the rim. Now, picture yourself jumping out of bed in the middle of the night trying to make it to the restroom. Standing right over the toilet, would you say it would be easier to not piss all over the floor then if you were across the room? Yes, of course which translates to, the further a player is from the basket the more his shooting percentage drops. Kawhi's career FG% is nearly identical to Duncan's.

    You mentioned Kawhi "needs to realize his strength is on the defensive side and focus on making that his staple" an asinine statement that almost makes me think you're a troll. You see grandpa, you must've fallen asleep when they handed him the defensive player of the year trophy. Did you miss the Spurs highlights the next morning on Kens5 after we won the championship in which he won the Finals MVP while guarding Lebron James?

    Third/Fourth best option? Role player? Please old timer, go quietly into the night.
    Well said!!

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    I still laugh at gots that call him a role player and can't see the bigger picture.
    how ing stupid haha

    Stop making a fool of yourself and us fellow Spurs fans.

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    Selfish goals tbh

    Not good for the lockerroom imo
    Your statement doesn't match your profile pic tbh. For some reason when I see you, I picture a frat boy who probably has date raped more than a few imo. Nah, just messing with you, I assumed like everyone else, that is not you in the picture. Nice google skills though...

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    How he let us lose to Matt Barnes and the Clippers?

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    I been saying he's our Kobe. That selfish mother er. I'm just waiting to hear him try to run off LMA.

    Dime variety attention . There's too many of you here to remember your name thus the need to make an endless supply of stupid comments. I almost feel sorry for you. This is you life and it's ending one comment at a time.

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    This will be the only time I address you. Also, I'm assuming you're up there in age and a 'casual' spurs fan so please forgive me as I talk down to you. I will attempt to educate you, using this tool called the google. Kawhi has a career .496 FG shooting percentage, this stat means he makes pretty much half the shots he takes. Tim Duncan for example has a career .506 FG shooting percentage. The two stats are very similar. Duncan plays Power forward/Center, that means he plays in the post and usually takes shots closer to the rim. Kawhi is a Small forward, this means he plays on the perimeter, which is further from the rim. Now, picture yourself jumping out of bed in the middle of the night trying to make it to the restroom. Standing right over the toilet, would you say it would be easier to not piss all over the floor then if you were across the room? Yes, of course which translates to, the further a player is from the basket the more his shooting percentage drops. Kawhi's career FG% is nearly identical to Duncan's.

    You mentioned Kawhi "needs to realize his strength is on the defensive side and focus on making that his staple" an asinine statement that almost makes me think you're a troll. You see grandpa, you must've fallen asleep when they handed him the defensive player of the year trophy. Did you miss the Spurs highlights the next morning on Kens5 after we won the championship in which he won the Finals MVP while guarding Lebron James?

    Third/Fourth best option? Role player? Please old timer, go quietly into the night.
    thats what's wrong with kids today. They watch a couple of spurs games or catch sportscenter once
    in a while or Google stats or post on fan forum and suddenly they think they are an expert. You probably have never even played any type of organized basketball much less coach any team sports.. And your reference that Kawhi is a great player because of his FG percentage is nonsense since guys Harrison Barnes, Demarre Carroll and Goran Dragic had higher percentages than Kawhi last year.
    Now let me educate you a little about basketball before I got to bed. The spurs offense allows players to have a higher shooting percentage because of Dribble penetration and ball movement...oh and because they have a guy named Tim Duncan in the middle. And by the way there were two players on the Spurs team that has a higher shooting percentage than Kawhi, Here it is, are you ready for it.....Tim Duncan and Tony Parker....like I said the third or fourth option.
    Classs dismissed.

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    Your statement doesn't match your profile pic tbh. For some reason when I see you, I picture a frat boy who probably has date raped more than a few imo. Nah, just messing with you, I assumed like everyone else, that is not you in the picture. Nice google skills though...
    It's Matt Stafford

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    How he let us lose to Matt Barnes and the Clippers?

    Hack a Deandre, Pop playing Bonner over Banes, Pop playing Parker too much, Parker forcing a shot late with the lead, the clock starting premature, the refs... seriously kid get your game up. I know you're a troll but that's weak .

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    It's Matt Stafford

    So you're saying, your the girl next to him?

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    And I thought this choker didn't talk to the media? Flip flopping clown.
    you getting trolled into hating on a Spurs player. Clown.

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    Stop making a fool of yourself and us fellow Spurs fans.
    Get a bigger picture on things and you'll stop being the fool tbh

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    So you're saying, your the girl next to him?
    Your deductive skills are remarkable if I do say so myself

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    I do not doubt that if he had been consistent all year, he would've got a shot at it. I mean, when Leonard had THAT 2nd half strong push (Feb-May) that put the team back in contending form, bunch of media guys were talking about how if Kawhi hadn't lost so many games due to injuries, they would have considered him as a strong MVP candidate.

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    Why do fanboys get their feathers ruffled just because real fans speak the truth?
    Since when to be fan of a player is a bad thing? I thought most of the Spurs' fans are Tim Duncan fans too. Also I have friends non Spurs fans who are Duncan's fans.There's an obvious reason because I'm rooting for the Spurs since 2011, but I always wish the best for the Spurs. What's the big deal?

    he probably won't even make the USA National basketball team since his game doesn't really translate on those type of teams
    His game? Iguodala made 2008 Team USA and Kawhi is a better shooter than him. Honestly, I don't care if he makes the team, but his game is perfectly suitable for international basketball.

    So he isn't an All-Star
    Kawhi never played at all star level?

    "All the while, in those three showcases where Leonard’s plus-minus score was +42, Kawhi a.k.a. The Klaw put up enough MVP-worthy stats in 82 minutes, scoring 73 points on 47 shots (.715 true shooting percentage), while stealing 14 balls with his Plastic Man wingspan.
    Leonard’s play in the nine-win span was no less efficient, with the Spurs small forward averaging 19 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 1 block and 2 turnovers with a .671 true shooting percentage and +14 plus-minus on average in only 28 minutes per game.

    Indeed, Kawhi is dominating games now while also posting Finals MVP-like numbers along the way. Kind of like how he tallied 18-6-2-2-1 and 1 with +13 on average in 33 minutes per game against Miami in the 2014 Finals.

    Only instead of taking away opponents’ superpowers from them, Leonard is also initiating offense in the Spurs’ beautiful system of passing-motion basketball.Yes, you can make the case that Leonard deserves MVP recognition.
    I’d give him a top 5 vote—maybe even second or third. After all, Leonard does rank third today in Real Plus-Minus at +8.35—trailing only Harden (+8.76) and Curry (+8.68)—and he may pass both in this final week of the regular season. You can also make the claim today that nobody is playing a better all-around game than Klaw..."

    http://www.nba.com/hoop/kawhi_not_2015_04_10.html

    "Both of those narratives are easily digested, but it’s possible that the Spurs’ push is the simplest of the three to explain. Only two words are really needed: Kawhi Leonard.
    Leonard’s return to the court in mid-January has transformed the Spurs from a wobbly outfit to a certified steamroller that enters Tuesday’s action riding a league-best seven-game winning streak after walloping the Warriors on Sunday. Without Leonard, San Antonio went 8-9 (.471) and suffered its first full losing month since Feb. 1999 in December. With Leonard, San Antonio is 27-10 (.730) since Jan. 16 and posting numbers that are eerily similar to last year’s Spurs

    The national conversation around Leonard can stand to improve, and it likely will shift in the coming months if he continues to put together signature performances like his recent night against the Warrios. On Sunday he roasted Harrison Barnes,
    particularly in the post, and tormented Curry, forcing turnover after turnover. “[Leonard] was the best player on the floor,” Kerr told reporters afterwards, the type of thing that hasn’t been said very often about players who have shared the court with Curry this season.

    It must be noted that Leonard is a key driver of that individual progress, rather than simply a system recipient.
    Per Synergy Sports, he grades out well in virtually every major offensive play type (spot-up, transition, pick-and-roll, isolation), and the following sampling of plays should give a taste of the many ways that Leonard is able to generate points independent of the Spurs’ famed drive-and-kick game.
    He is also showing that he can beat defenses in a variety of useful methods and that he can translate his prodigious athletic gifts into points in ways that resemble the best of the best in the NBA. How many players around the league can do these things consistently while still making an impact defensively?

    http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/07/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-playoffs-all-nba#

    These guys are boyfans too?

    He can probably be labeled a star but even then I'm willing to bet the average fan would probably name Duncan, Parker, Ginobili before Kawhi if asked to name players on Spurs roster.
    It's hard to say this, but if you ask non Spurs fans about Tony, Manu and Kawhi, most of them know more Kawhi than the rest of the Big 3. Kawhi got more All Star votes than them in the last two seasons.

    I think fanboys seem to rate their player a little more than us grounded fans
    You can't stop making a drunken fool of yourself?

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    Love the Whiman you dumb dongs.

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    Not sure what you've been watching. Manu and KL have a good relationship. Tony scarcely interacts with Kawhi.
    Tony is probably a real asshole to be honest... He is a Spur but dude just looks like a .

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    Kawhi is a really good role player .... He needs to realize his strength is on the defensive side and focus on making that his staple.... At this point he is the third/fourth offensive option on this team and thats probably where he should stay, at least until Duncan/Parker retire.
    Kawhi offense is fantastic! Even being a third/fourth option he was the leading scorer in regular season and playoffs.
    20.3ppg with Spurs pace and system? Sharing the ball with Parker and Duncan as better options? Kawhi's damn good scorer.
    Just imagine how many points he'll score as 2nd or 1st option...

    "Kawhi Leonard's offense -not defense- key to Spurs.

    Here's a quick thought experiment. Imagine if the NBA's best offensive player were also an elite defender? He's the MVP, right? Seems like a reasonable conclusion. Now let's flip it around. If the NBA's best defensive player is also an elite offensive player, what then? MVP, right?
    This is where we're at with Kawhi Leonard.
    It's downright silly that most people don't consider him in the discussion of the NBA's best player. For some reason, dominant defensive players with above-average impact on offense don't get nearly the same hype as when it's the other way around -- i.e., the Stephen Currys and James Hardens of the NBA.
    Leonard is becoming the rest of the NBA's greatest fear: The Spurs found a guy outside the top 10 in the draft and transformed him into a franchise cornerstone. The 23-year-old just won NBA Defensive Player of the Year, but, as he's showing now, he's almost as good on the other end."
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...onio-spurs-nba





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    He just needs to be more consistent. Last year he started very slow and was in a shooting slump. People gloss over that, but it was his eye and lack of rythm, or what have you, but he wasn't very good to start. He also struggled a bit in his new role. His post ups felt forced at time and not natural. It was also to be expected because it was a new style and him dealing with double teams and what have you. Then, he got injured. Basically, his start to the season was thoroughly unimpressive. In March, he really took it to another level, an MVP level. If he is able to play like that for an entire season, then he's for sure an MVP candidate. He just hasn't done it enough, and for a consistent enough time to have him in that conversation.

    However, he is young and improving and its good that he is hungry to get better. He may reach his goals, but he will need to be a lot better than he has been and a lot more consistent than he has been. He always brings his defensive intensity and effort, but offensively he is really sometimes not quite there. For him to get to the level he wants to get to, he needs to be consistent in the entirety of his game. That is what sets guys like Lebron, Curry, Harden, Durant, Westbrook, and A. Davis on another level. They maintain their level of play night after night, as the best players in their respective teams and quite often if they don't have it going a particular night, it becomes really tough for the team to win. Kawhi is reaching that level, but consistency has been a big issue for him and something to keep an eye on.

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    you getting trolled into hating on a Spurs player. Clown.

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    Your deductive skills are remarkable if I do say so myself

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    Dime variety attention . There's too many of you here to remember your name thus the need to make an endless supply of stupid comments. I almost feel sorry for you. This is you life and it's ending one comment at a time.
    but yet, you're wasting your time commenting on my post. you.


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    Tony is probably a real asshole to be honest... He is a Spur but dude just looks like a .
    Most athletes are, tbh. Tony seems to be on a different plain though.

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    He should learn how to flop from Manu.. that's Manu's biggest asset..
    he already learned the "miss crucial free throw" thing from manu

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