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    I've earned way more in dividends and net gains that what i've lossed (not even a realized loss) in the last week. Earning 1% interest on your "mountain of cash" is for suckers. You've lost money on inflation alone.
    I understand that but today is what I was worried about and the worst may be yet to come. Ive actually invested part of it into other business ventures which earn a much bigger yield than the market so it isn't all In cash

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    when you sell (for loss or gain), somebody buys, so there should be a "sales tax" on the sale
    Man you really want some poor old folks with retirement to get whipped. This tax will get passed down by the en y that holds their money.

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    I understand that but today is what I was worried about and the worst may be yet to come. Ive actually invested part of it into other business ventures which earn a much bigger yield than the market so it isn't all In cash
    What happens when your other business ventures lose money? Or you just pull the plug on some guy who has asked you to invest in his lucrative car wash business while he is building 20 new car washes some of which YOUR money went to?

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    What happens when your other business ventures lose money? Or you just pull the plug on some guy who has asked you to invest in his lucrative car wash business while he is building 20 new car washes some of which YOUR money went to?
    I'm sure will have diversified into other imaginary ventures and funds by the time he finishes reading your post.

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    It's a show this morning. Liquidity is even worse than the flash crash. The system is so jammed that people can't even make trades.
    This is probably a good thing.

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    I'm sure will have diversified into other imaginary ventures and funds by the time he finishes reading your post.
    It is amazing what estute investors we have on this site.

    Im getting crushed. But it's all on paper for now. But it could be realized if for some reason I had to cash out. I just feel sorry for the people who must cash out now to make some payment. I don't want people in financial difficulty to have to suffer from these incidents.

    That commercial that simplified trading as: "when you see value in a stock and buy, you are buying from someone equally convinced that the stock has reached a high value and will go down." This is just not the case. People may have to sell to pay bills; They have no other choice.

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    Glad I'm not in too deep right now, sitting on a mountain of cash going on 2 years now
    Then you lost out on some stellar years of big, big gains.

    If you have played this game and not been punched in the face yet then you really have not played the game. Much like fighting, in the parlance of a world you claim to understand.

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    Suddenly I'm positive on the day.

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    when you sell (for loss or gain), somebody buys, so there should be a "sales tax" on the sale
    It isn't a good or service, so why exactly should it be taxed with a sales tax?

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    Then you lost out on some stellar years of big, big gains.

    If you have played this game and not been punched in the face yet then you really have not played the game. Much like fighting, in the parlance of a world you claim to understand.
    didnt miss out on most of it, I may have overestimated by saying two years could be closer to a year ago when I pulled out

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    didnt miss out on most of it, I may have overestimated by saying two years could be closer to a year ago when I pulled out
    How did you know to pull out?

    And last year was also very good for me, just not as good as the year before. So in my world you lost making some very nice profits. Too bad.

    How have you learned to time the market so well? Especially considering how many years you have expected an apocalypse? Based on what you post you should be buying only food, water, and weapons. Definitely not stock. I'm trying to help you here.

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    How did you know to pull out?

    And last year was also very good for me, just not as good as the year before. So in my world you lost making some very nice profits. Too bad.

    How have you learned to time the market so well? Especially considering how many years you have expected an apocalypse? Based on what you post you should be buying only food, water, and weapons. Definitely not stock. I'm trying to help you here.
    Finance background and good intuition. I still have some money out there in 401k. One could only look at the market and P/E ratios and know that the market is overbought. I wouldn't be surprised to see us go a lot lower. The economy is in worse shape than they admit

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    Finance background and good intuition. I still have some money out there in 401k. One could only look at the market and P/E ratios and know that the market is overbought. I wouldn't be surprised to see us go a lot lower. The economy is in worse shape than they admit
    You should be on Wall Street then. Or an economics professor. People like you are extremely rare. Good intuition is a gift. Do not go into foreign affairs as you have taken a predictive punch in the face. Which if your intuition in this area were accurate should have probably led to financial collapse. Hmmmm....

    So I guess you don't follow your own foreign conflict predictions which shows a great deal of self control.

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    You should be on Wall Street then. Or an economics professor. People like you are extremely rare. Good intuition is a gift.
    No, people who suffer from delusions of grandeur on the internet and can't even keep their story straight on when and what they invest in aren't all that rare.

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    You should be on Wall Street then. Or an economics professor. People like you are extremely rare. Good intuition is a gift. Do not go into foreign affairs as you have taken a predictive punch in the face. Which if your intuition in this area were accurate should have probably led to financial collapse. Hmmmm....

    So I guess you don't follow your own foreign conflict predictions which shows a great deal of self control.
    That's the thing, maybe next time my hunch is wrong and I lose money. This time I win and I'm happy.

    my only regret is not investing in American Airlines. My father was adamant that they were just posturing for better labor agreement and that they wouldn't fall flat. A few people I know got filthy rich but I was too nervous to risk it.

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    No, people who suffer from delusions of grandeur on the internet and can't even keep their story straight on when and what they invest in aren't all that rare.
    Invested in gm at under 20, Kroger at 22 or something, countless others some of these I more than doubled my money.

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    It is amazing what estute investors we have on this site.

    Im getting crushed. But it's all on paper for now. But it could be realized if for some reason I had to cash out. I just feel sorry for the people who must cash out now to make some payment. I don't want people in financial difficulty to have to suffer from these incidents.

    That commercial that simplified trading as: "when you see value in a stock and buy, you are buying from someone equally convinced that the stock has reached a high value and will go down." This is just not the case. People may have to sell to pay bills; They have no other choice.
    You're completely right about that, but small time investors who are forced to sell for immediate cash aren't really the primary drivers of prices imho. Ins utional investors drive prices the most.

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    3m and Amazon were also great investments

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    Yeah, my investing skills go way up too with selective memory and the power of Yahoo! Finance's historical data.

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    Dude you don't have to feel bad everyone is losing money. I would hate to work on walls street. Interviewed for an internship once at an investment firm back when things were really volatile and everyone in the office was on suicide watch. Couldn't work in that type of environment

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    Yeah, my investing skills go way up too with selective memory and the power of Yahoo! Finance's historical data.
    Didn't even have time to go look all those up right quick

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    You seem a little bit butt rustled at my superior German intellect comrade, no need to feel this way

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    when anybody buys stock, what is the govt tax rate on the purchase?
    Why should it be taxed? As someone else has already stated, it's not a good or service (i.e., some type of end-product)...A stock in an equity investment (i.e., an ownership interest in a company). Equity investments shouldn't be subject to a sales tax. The investment itself already gets taxed on its income and the dividends it pays out to its investors get taxed again.

    In the world you're describing, if I start up a business an make an initial investment of $100K, and then immediately decide to sell half that business to my friend at book value, he should have to pay $50K + 8.25% sales tax??? That's bull .

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    That would be double taxation, commie gtfo

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    That would be double taxation, commie gtfo
    That would be triple taxation... Double taxation already exists.

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