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I think they are looking at that, but what are they going to do about it? They have a choice on Devin's salary, they don't on Rasho's.
Sure, from a marginal perspective you pin it on Brown. But since it's a tax on your entire payroll I think it worthwhile to look at who else has put you in that position.
I think they are looking at that, but what are they going to do about it? They have a choice on Devin's salary, they don't on Rasho's.
Sure, that's what ownership did. But it's rather difficult to ignore the impact of Nesterovic's contract in this discussion.
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I think a time machine would cost more than any savings gained by erasing his contract from history.Sure, that's what ownership did. But it's rather difficult to ignore the impact of Nesterovic's contract in this discussion.
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All excellent points. I couldn't agree more.
All summer long, I've ed about the disadvatanges of acquiring Finley and the wisdom of bringing him (and his diminishing talents) aboard at the risk of losing a young swingman like Devin. The fact that Devin would have cost the same price as Finley (for this year anyway) makes the decision to let him go even more curious.
If the Spurs ownership and management were insistent on "not exceeding the luxury tax" they should have thought past this season. They could have locked Devin up for at least two seasons at $5 mil.
Meanwhile, there are no guarantees that Finley will be a Spur after this season and if he is - at what price? So what happens next summer? The price to keep Finley is sure to go up, while his skills and stats will likely continue to decline.
IMO Brown's contributions to this team (this year and next) would have given them the same chances of winning a le as would Finley.
Best scenario:
Spurs better hope they win the le and that Finley is a significant contributor throughout the season and the Finals.
Even if that happens, it appears the Spurs have mortgaged part of their future at the swing position only to chase a player who is still capable of making a significant contributions on any given night, but whose best days are clearly behind him.
Sometime during the course of this year and certainly next year, the Spurs will wish they would have passed on Finley and retained Devin.
Dang MB! Get off of Devin's nuts already! The Spurs did what they wanted to do because they felt it was best for the team. They have pretty good success at it to. They have won three championships in the past seven years. That looks like a very good track record if you ask me. You keep talking "what if." That's not valid. How can you worry about the future? Worry about today and today only. You, myself, the Spurs can't control the future. None of us know what is going to happen this next season and the season after that. So why waste all of our time by saying the Spurs missed up because they didn't want to spend $2.5 on Devin? Only time will tell. There is a reason why R.C and Pop are in charge of the Spurs. They know how to do it. There's a reason why you're not. You obviously don't know how to do it because of you did, you'd be a GM somewhere other than in your mind.
Actually the best case scenario is Finley helps the Spurs win now and whatever IR fodder we sign thrives in the practice squad incubator and come out ready to play next season. It's not like it hasn't happened before.Best scenario:
Spurs better hope they win the le and that Finley is a significant contributor throughout the season and the Finals.
Even if that happens, it appears the Spurs have mortgaged part of their future at the swing position only to chase a player who is still capable of making a significant contributions on any given night, but whose best days are clearly behind him.
Sometime during the course of this year and certainly next year, the Spurs will wish they would have passed on Finley and retained Devin.
I'm not on Brown's "nuts" as you state. I am being critical of ownership, "young blood".
Losing Brown was good for the team? Come on. Get real, "man".The Spurs did what they wanted to do because they felt it was best for the team.
You know who it was good for? "The Man".
So no mistakes are possible? Get real. Why can't they be criticized for a horrid basketball move? 'But, but...they won championships' is not a sufficient answer.They have pretty good success at it to. They have won three championships in the past seven years. That looks like a very good track record if you ask me.
Nope. You have to consider how things will be next year with personnel decisions. With only 3 guys under contract next summer at the 2 and 3 and with 2 of them aged 35 then, you definitely have to consider those 'what ifs'.You keep talking "what if." That's not valid. How can you worry about the future? Worry about today and today only. You, myself, the Spurs can't control the future. None of us know what is going to happen this next season and the season after that.
That's assuming that Pop and RC wanted Brown gone and there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Ownership wanted him gone.So why waste all of our time by saying the Spurs missed up because they didn't want to spend $2.5 on Devin? Only time will tell. There is a reason why R.C and Pop are in charge of the Spurs. They know how to do it.
Separate the two.
Going by that standard, you must be a "GM somewhere other than in your mind" because you offered a critique of what the Spurs are doing. This is a discussion forum. Sorry that I am offering something other than pla udes such as "Holt Cat's nut sure tastes good. Mmmm. Mmmm."There's a reason why you're not. You obviously don't know how to do it because of you did, you'd be a GM somewhere other than in your mind.
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This team will never amount to anything with HoltCat letting talent like Derek Anderson go because he's too cheap to sign him for what he's worth.
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What if it does? We have the same core that won us a championship, and Devin wasn't a part of it in the playoffs anyway.What happens when Finley's knee acts up? What happens when NVE's does too? If we are going to start bringing up old injuries then those are a couple of worrisome ones right there. Why not have some more depth? You guys like to point out Brown's injury problems but ignore some other rather significant ones in the rotation.
You act like Devin was some sort of uber-6th Man. His skill set can be found a dime a dozen at the end of benches in this league and in the NBDL. The Spurs are still courting guys like Melvin Sanders, who will come cheaper and not have the back issue clouding their future.
But damn "Holt Cat" for not going lux tax for some glorified IR (err, inactive) fodder.
would devin brown ever have beaten out bowen or manu to start
I Doubt it
I think that is why the spurs let him go because he was not worth the money not to be a threat to start
Young Blood? OK. You have no idea what my age yet you call me young blood. That say's a lot about you. You are already forecasting what will happen when the Spurs haven't even entered camp. Don't say you aren't because you are. You aren't coming out and saying it, but trust me you are. You're saying that winning three championships is not proven? C'mon. Wait, not sufficient. Then what is? I can understand you critizicing the Spurs front office and ownership if they hadn't won anything and were something like the Hawks, but they aren't. When was the last time the Jazz won a NBA championship? What about the Nuggets? Please. You're criticizing a team that proved they were the best last year. You say that the choice not to re-sign Brown was good only for, "the Man." What happened last year when they traded Malik? The Spurs were criticized for it, but what happened this past June? Malik was at home and the Spurs were floating down the river celebrating their third. However, lets say that the ownership did what was best for "the Man" as you say. So what? What's wrong for looking after himself? Don't you do what's best for you? If you're indicating I'm on Holt's nuts, you're way off. I'm just not going to criticize a front office like the Spurs because they have PROVEN they can get the job done. Get a clue. You're worrying over something that hasn't even happened. Plain and simple.
DA's price was a bit more than 1 year for $2.5 mil and I had no problem seeing him go and stated so at the time.
So the time machine is faulty, much like every attempt in this forum to make Devin Brown go out to be a good basketball decision. None of you have been able to do that yet. All you've done is jock Holt Cat's income statement. What fan gives two flips about that?
He beat out Brent Barry to be the top reserve swing last season.
yes but we know the spurs are going to try to trade barry
they are going try to find a player better then barry and brown making close to what barry is making
noone knows for sure it will work
spurs did pull out a miracle in the past and got hedo for nothing
Where were the miracles in 2001 and 2002 when the Spurs had an old ass perimeter getting smoked in the postseason?
My God, let's go back to banging heads on the Malik for NAsr trade in every thread.
Whooops, better not, since that trade worked out pretty well and made the FO look like they might know what they're doing.
True, I just wish there was a finacially prudent way we could keep Nazr for the long haul.
Its official. Marcus Bryant has no clue. He keeps going to "what if" and then he goes to the past back in 2001 and 2002. I guess the Spurs Winning IT ALL this past season wasn't enough for Marcus. Let's all call the Spurs management and let them know Mr. Bryant is pissed and thinks not signing Devin Brown is the biggest mistake they've made so that Marcus Bryant can be happy.
In all seriousness I can see what you are saying Marcus. Last season Devin showed he could be very good off the bench and maybe more, but he got hurt. Its unfortunate, but it happens. Look at what happened to players like Grant Hill, Allen Houston, and etc. These guys had good careers ahead of them, but they were injured and well we all know what happened. I am not saying that the same is going to happen for D. Brown. I hope not. I like the guy and thought he was good and still think he is. I think the Spurs keeping him would have been a great idea and good for the team. I'm sure a lot of people think that way, but it didn't happen for whatever reason. Whether it was financial or whether it was personal. No one really knows except for the Spurs front office. What I do know is that the Spurs have made mistakes in the past and will make some more, but by you saying that not resigning Devin Brown is a mistake isn't fair. The Spurs have yet to play a game. They haven't even practiced together. Let the season play itself out and then we'll all see whether or not it was a mistake.
This is just too humorous. Marcus has his panties in a wad over a player that wasn't even an integral piece of the Championship team that is still intact. Devin position is the easiest position in the league to fill on the cheap. Clearly, the Spurs just screwed themselves out of any chance of being successful in the future.
Marcus has cancelled his luxury suite reservation for the season.
This is just too humorous. Marcus has his panties in a wad over a player that wasn't even an integral piece of the Championship team that is still intact. Devin position is the easiest position in the league to fill on the cheap. Clearly, the Spurs just screwed themselves out of any chance of being successful in the future.
What is the past is not necessarily the future. Also, perhaps a Devin Brown who doesn't wilt like a wet flower in the postseason would have been more useful than Brent Barry.
When one starts stating that another has "no clue", they most likely have none. You've yet to refute any of my arguments and at the moment, you are just background noise to this discussion.
Its cool Marcus. I'm not the one being hated on for the stupid postings. That would be you. I'm not trying to argue with you because that would be dumb of me to waste my time on someone like you. I'm just simply stating the truth, which is YOU HAVE NO IDEA THAT THE SPURS MADE A MISTAKE BY NOT SIGNING DEVIN BROWN FOR $2.5 BECAUSE THE SEASON HASN'T STARTED.
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