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Don't matter what happened beforehand. Fact is Germany invaded Russia and got their asses kicked back to Berlin. The allies saved the Germanic peoples from total anihilation.no wonder they suck American even today
That's not what happened, they did make a deal with Russia. Overwhelming evidence showed that Stalin was building up and preparing to sweep across Europe once the European powers had weakened one another. Hitler decided to act while he had the element of surprise on his side, it was a desperate Hail Mary attempt to stop it.
Don't matter what happened beforehand. Fact is Germany invaded Russia and got their asses kicked back to Berlin. The allies saved the Germanic peoples from total anihilation.no wonder they suck American even today
That's ing re ed considering it was the 4 world powers plus minor allies who defeated Germany and those same "saviors" were also the reason we lost. They wanted us destroyed and at the same time didn't want Russia to get stronger.
Last edited by m>s; 09-17-2015 at 12:40 PM.
wrong. The real war was being fought in the eastern front.
Germany was sending children to fight in the West
Biggest battle in the east: Stalingrad 2 million dead
Biggest battle in the west: France 180,000 dead
the west was a joke
Right but it was still another front to guard nonetheless. Russia wouldn't have even had the supplies or capability to fight if not for the allies. Coming from someone who doesn't hate Russians or consider them untermenschen.
not fair. They bullied us
Come on now. Germany started it. , Hitler rather shot himself in the face than face red army and Stalin. The got pulled a punk ass move
All I can say is You need to read some books, Stalin was planning to attack Europe, Barbarossa was preemptive.
Doesn't matter. Still got his ass kicked all the way to Berlin.
Towards the end, they put all their eggs in one basket in the Battle of the Bulge.Biggest battle in the east: Stalingrad 2 million dead
Biggest battle in the west: France 180,000 dead
Forgot to mention the Nazis on the Western Front [after invading USSR] were predominately Hitler Youth and WW1 veterans. And they still gave it to sissified westBiggest battle in the east: Stalingrad 2 million dead
Biggest battle in the west: France 180,000 dead
Their tough times are brought about by their totally corrupt system an inability to innovate.Nobody is denying Russia is going through tough times but its not really their doing. The West is punishing them for standing against the status quo. The status quo was to arm and train terrorists, they don't want that. Putin has said he will never ever negotiate with terrorists.
Still this is a people that overcame a nazi invasion in the middle of the Siberian winter while the "allies" were having their hands full vs teenage nazis on the western front. And the Russians persevered and the Russians won. Lets no mistake about it Russia is the ONLY country in the world that was able to drive the nazis off their territory on their own. No help.
You underestimate the level of crisis the Russians can take. They could easily take about 40 million civilian losses and still win.
Meanwhile US would probably throw in the towel if their civilians are deprived of their next iPhone
And quit the WW II excuses. Germany and Japan turn that argument on its head.
Its totally silly. If you can't see it's the way their power structure runs things I can't help you.
They had massive numbers of people of course they could beat the Nazis. They threw them at the Nazis like fodder. Stalin killed more Russians all by himself.
If there was no western front to begin with Russia would have been crapped on. If the Americans did not enter Russia would have had two fronts and many speaking Japanese.
Russia was going to win regardless. read some history books. sure it would have taken longer and few million more deaths but they woulda won. The tide was already turning when the allies arrived.
US is as corrupt or more. (see Real Estate market crash and bank bailouts. see MIC stronghold on the goverment. see military controlling and monitoring the data of every civilian.)
what excuse? I just stated that Russia has seen way worse times that this and came through. this is a walk in the park.
Yeah it was turning because of an insane amount of supplies and logistics support. All of their trucks were American.
More corrupt?
No way no how.
You don't know have any idea what corruption is. It's not even close. Your statement is laughable. Please explain why a country with the greatest natural resources on the face of the Earth can't feed themselves, let's make it simple.
Arrived? Which way did the Germans go to start the war? What was Russia doing besides making pacts with Hitler during this time?
You are telling me to read history when stating the above?
Not gona answer infantile questions. Read up and those simple questions will be answered
Try 30 million Russians souls
Of course not.
You are stuck.
How did the Germans lose the vast majority of their air Force? What was the Luftwaffe doing during the Russian invasion besides next to nothing?
and...?
Why should I continue trying to have an honest discussion with you wherever you just want to post and put your ignorance of military on display? Logistics are the most important aspect of war.
Try 30 million Russians souls
"the line between disorder and order is logistics"
Sure its essential but its not the most important part of war.
Don't matter cause German logistics in the Western front were 10x bigger and more complicated than in the Eastern front. There is a reason why they spent 10x the effort in the West. Mother Russia.
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