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    are you saying it makes no sense to judge decisions by their objective outcomes, which can be better or worse for the parties involved?
    objective? obviously not and your takes are not objective for all the biased facts they present.

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    is there some value-free standpoint from which to judge things?
    youre the one interjecting the notion of value. the term has many meanings and youre skating over several of them at once.

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    objective? obviously not and your takes are not objective for all the biased facts they present.
    yours are unbiased?

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    what do empirical mean?

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    youre the one interjecting the notion of value. the term has many meanings and youre skating over several of them at once.
    you're free to ignore the question. it's pretty straightforward.

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    yours are unbiased?
    I try to be. I may not succeed but I try to be empirical. Thus me discussing past tyrants in relation to your fascism politco-babble. Or what the Shias and Sunnis are actually doing in this case.

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    you're free to ignore the question. it's pretty straightforward.
    and feel free to come to a conclusion because I think your question is ambiguous and generally poor.

    Perhaps you missed my point about empiricism?

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    not at all. the death, destruction and displacement in Yemen are real -- and what do the Saudis and the USA have to show for it? what strategic objectives were met?

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    I try to be. I may not succeed but I try to be empirical. Thus me discussing past tyrants in relation to your fascism politco-babble. Or what the Shias and Sunnis are actually doing in this case.
    The Eco essay is relatable to current events, and past definitions of tyrannical movements in no way constrain modern tyrants and their followers.

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    The Eco essay is relatable to current events, and past definitions of tyrannical movements in no way constrain modern tyrants and their followers.
    Seeing that those that they term neo-fascist are contemporary all I can say is thanks for stating the mindnumbingly obvious.

    As for the second thought, that applies just as much to your take as it does to mine. In fact when applied to your position it bears more.

    Racial/ethnic authoritarianism is nothing new. Trying to package it as 'new' is misleading. If you need examples then look to Russian Czars, Mehmed and company.

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    not at all. the death, destruction and displacement in Yemen are real -- and what do the Saudis and the USA have to show for it? what strategic objectives were met?
    Begging the question again? You weren't even paying attention to what was going on until I rubbed your face in it.

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    Look, I think religious wars are amongst the worst manifestations of the God delusion and I cannot stand the Saudis but if you cannot understand why it's in their strategic interest to not allow Iran to set up Hezbollah south on the Arabian peninsula then you are pretty ing obtuse.

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    Did Yemen look good five months ago?
    Not really. It was one of the poorer countries in the world before the shooting started. But I am going to guess that hater probably didn't know/admit that bit of data.

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    None of.this would be happening if we hadn't exported democracy to Iraq and lybia. If you cannot accept that fact you are clueless
    Meh. Don't expect me to ever try to defend the decision to go into Iraq. It was ed from the get go.

    I was one of the few who really didn't give a if Saddam had WMDs.

    Libya though, was much more a European problem, or should have been.

    I wonder though, what would your policy have been for Libya when they started strafing civilians?

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    Look, I think religious wars are amongst the worst manifestations of the God delusion and I cannot stand the Saudis but if you cannot understand why it's in their strategic interest to not allow Iran to set up Hezbollah south on the Arabian peninsula then you are pretty ing obtuse.
    hater has some selective blind spots. He is fairly bright, but lets his emotions get in the way of decent analysis.

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    Look, I think religious wars are amongst the worst manifestations of the God delusion and I cannot stand the Saudis but if you cannot understand why it's in their strategic interest to not allow Iran to set up Hezbollah south on the Arabian peninsula then you are pretty ing obtuse.
    If you think the Houthis are mere proxies of Iran, you're the one who's obtuse.

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    Begging the question again? You weren't even paying attention to what was going on until I rubbed your face in it.
    we'll see if the the talks lead anywhere. there might not be any there there.

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    the Houthis ain't Hezbollah. not even close.

    you're talking out of your ass, as usual.

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    Begging the question again? You weren't even paying attention to what was going on until I rubbed your face in it.
    what question was begged? the destruction, death, displacement and immiseration of innocent lives are real enough, as is the failure of the war against the Houthis.

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    if the Saudis had already won, there'd be no parley.

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    the Houthis ain't Hezbollah. not even close.

    you're talking out of your ass, as usual.
    It was a play on words. They remain Iran's shia militia proxy. I'm aware the tribes on the southern Arabian peninsula are different than the ones west of damascus.

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    what question was begged? the destruction, death, displacement and immiseration of innocent lives are real enough, as is the failure of the war against the Houthis.
    If you cannot figure it out that is pretty sad. Read what I quoted and think about it.

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    Seeing that those that they term neo-fascist are contemporary all I can say is thanks for stating the mindnumbingly obvious.

    As for the second thought, that applies just as much to your take as it does to mine. In fact when applied to your position it bears more.

    Racial/ethnic authoritarianism is nothing new. Trying to package it as 'new' is misleading. If you need examples then look to Russian Czars, Mehmed and company.
    Ur Fascism is eternal fascism. You missed the point.

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    It was a play on words. They remain Iran's shia militia proxy. I'm aware the tribes on the southern Arabian peninsula are different than the ones west of damascus.
    Then don't conflate them.

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    if the Saudis had already won, there'd be no parley.
    who said anything about winning. they are still fighting. its not like this is a ceasefire and the houthis have been losing ground since last summer. to wit:

    Pro-government forces in Yemen have made significant gains around the city of Taiz, which has been under siege from Houthi fighters for several months.

    Governor Ali al-Maamari told the AFP news agency on Friday that government troops and their allies, backed by Arab coalition air strikes, took back areas in the western and southern suburbs of the city.

    They "reopened key roads that the Houthis had been blocking for nine months," said the governor, who lives in exile in Saudi Arabia.

    He added that the advance should allow humanitarian and medical aid to reach about 200,000 besieged residents in Yemen's third largest city.

    Taiz is located between the rebel-held capital Sanaa and the southern port city of Aden, which loyalists took back from the Houthis in July.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...210932533.html

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