Hurricane Patricia Becomes Strongest Hurricane In History.

[InRareForm]

“When you have a storm over very warm ocean water and optimal conditions, these systems can really ramp up in a hurry, like Patricia,” says Klotzbach. “A garden variety tropical storm one day, and then the next day, a massive Category 5.”

Putting an exact figure on how much climate change influenced Patricia is a bit trickier. Doing so requires sophisticated models that can accurately simulate not only the real world, but what the world would look like without greenhouse gas emissions.

At a workshop convened in Washington, D.C., this week, Tom Knutson at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration outlined several obstacles to attributing hurricanes to anthropogenic climate change. Data is one major stumbling block: scientists need a lengthy and reliable log of past hurricanes to confidently assess climate change’s impact.

But asking whether climate change caused Patricia specifically is the wrong question, says Elsner. “A better question to ask is, what kind of storm would it have been without climate change?” Perhaps a less extraordinary one.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...like-patricia/

[Perry Mason]

Prayers for those who may be affected.

As to the global warming "debate" going on in here (not the right forum btw), the greenhouse effect is obviously real, but the question is whether the absolute tiny fraction of carbon that humans contribute to the atmosphere, which is greatly dwarfed by a single volcano eruption, will cause worldwide cataclysm in the climate. Climate is immensely complex and there are many feedback mechanisms (carbon absorption by water, oceans and plants) that make the Earth different from a greenhouse.

I have no dog in this fight as I only care about the truth. But I do understand logic. So suppose it is "real". Why are humans not allowed to slightly affect the climate? Industrial society has made humanity thousands of times wealthier. It's fine to be aware of environmental externalities caused by industry and try to correct for them, but you have to be extremely cautious due to the billions of lives affected, and you have to be open and transparent in conducting the science.

Many climate scientists don't share their raw data. This is not unusual for many disciplines, which is why you see stuff like this, showing that 50-75% of all scientific studies cannot be reproduced: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/sci...ntists-report/

[Kawhitstorm]

Shouldn't y'all Messicans be air lifting out your folks?

[Splits]

praying
climate change denialists

[Kawhitstorm]

praying
climate change denialists

Darwin is going to wipe them off the gene pool.

[texas4ever]

Quoting 30. Patrap: the evil vision ends now it becomes an inland rain maker

Member Since: July 15, 2006 Posts: 192 Comments: 60109

[Spurs9]

Our dirty riverwalk is gonna turn into a large river.

[TheDoctor]

But it is not scientific or statistical truth that there is a long-term "global" warming trend, nor is there truth at all that humans would cause such warming in such a "warm" Earth cycle.

Take a look at the SST anomalies for October 2015:







Notice how warm the equatorial areas are, but the Antarctic is (and has been) much cooler than average. People want to focus on the Arctic sea ice loss when the Antarctic has been consistently gaining ice every year. Stupid propagandists...

Ask the Argentinian members in here how their ice coast/glaciers are melting thanks to higher sea temperatures. Pepito Moreno for example. What you don't get is that global warming also has the effect of cooler Autumns and Winters. Why? Given the increase in ocean temperatures during the Spring and Summer the water being evaporated is unprecedented. And where all that evaporated water ends up? In the atmosphere. And what happens to all that evaporated water in the atmosphere when Autumn and Winter arrives? Either precipitates as rain or snow. What's the effect of that? Stronger than ever floods and blizzards.

So while it is true that during Winter snow is being deposited more than before (because there's more water in the atmosphere), the amount of ice that melts during Spring and Summer is more than is deposited during Winter.


And you talk about the area of Ecuador as if it were a separate system. No. Ocean currents travel around the planet. Warm water in the tropics will stop at the North and South Poles one way or the other. Now, marine scientists are finding more and more tropical water species in high and low la udes (what were once intolerable waters). There's only one important reason for that. Higher than before ocean temperatures as an effect of global warming.

[TheGreatYacht]

[Kawhitstorm]

"Oh that looks gnarly" -stoner white dude

[TheDoctor]

Damn. The narcos must be having a great time disappearing and throwing corpses away like saying "That was Patricia and those holes you see in his chest? Tree branches did it. Had nothing to do with it".

[Sean Cagney]

But it is not scientific or statistical truth that there is a long-term "global" warming trend, nor is there truth at all that humans would cause such warming in such a "warm" Earth cycle.

Take a look at the SST anomalies for October 2015:







Notice how warm the equatorial areas are, but the Antarctic is (and has been) much cooler than average. People want to focus on the Arctic sea ice loss when the Antarctic has been consistently gaining ice every year. Stupid propagandists...

Basically this.....

[Pelicans78]

Every country needs to do everything they can to get those people to as safe a place as possible. This is frigging unreal.

Trump is gonna want to build an even bigger wall.

[Dancelot]

This hurricane will be nothing compared to the ST storm after the Spurs get blown out in OKC next week ...

[Kawhitstorm]

Another natural disaster that didn't live up to its hype. As some who lives in SoCal I'm used to it but I guess meteorologist, astrologist, seismologist, climatologist...etc have to to make themselves seem useful to maintain their lavish lifestyle w/ tax payer funded gov't grants.

[Biggems]

Rita was a too....not because she was as bad as Katrina, but because she was merely piling on. The Gulf Coast was still recovering from Katrina when Rita brought tons of rain and flooding, causing even more damage and severely slowing down relief efforts.

There was one along the Atlantic Coast, that hit the Carolinas that was brutal, but I forget the name.

[Sean Cagney]

Another natural disaster that didn't live up to it's hype. As some who lives in SoCal I'm used to it but I guess meteorologist, astrologist, seismologist, climatologist...etc have to to make themselves seem useful to maintain their lavish lifestyle w/ tax payer funded gov't grants.

Not living up to the hype is a good thing tough at times man lol, especially if it is hitting your area. Now blizzards they get wrong piss me off, love that .

[Sean Cagney]

Rita was a too....not because she was as bad as Katrina, but because she was merely piling on. The Gulf Coast was still recovering from Katrina when Rita brought tons of rain and flooding, causing even more damage and severely slowing down relief efforts.

There was one along the Atlantic Coast, that hit the Carolinas that was brutal, but I forget the name.

Yeah man I was at the beach in NC at the time for a damn vacation and got evacuated...

[spurtech09]

Praying for Mexico and Texas..... Jesus Christ keep us safe......Hope Pat keeps on getting weak and we don't get that much rain

[spurtech09]

Thanks for posting.

Very concerned. IIRC, strongest we've gotten is under 160mph, and it blew big roofs away.
I hope everybody has the chance to get to a safe place.

Prayers to the people in Mexico.

amen

[Pelicans78]

Rita was a too....not because she was as bad as Katrina, but because she was merely piling on. The Gulf Coast was still recovering from Katrina when Rita brought tons of rain and flooding, causing even more damage and severely slowing down relief efforts.

There was one along the Atlantic Coast, that hit the Carolinas that was brutal, but I forget the name.

Hurricane Hugo

[Biggems]

Hurricane Hugo

yes, that is the one, TY.....But there was also another one sometime around WW1 as well.

[~O~]

But it is not scientific or statistical truth that there is a long-term "global" warming trend, nor is there truth at all that humans would cause such warming in such a "warm" Earth cycle.

Take a look at the SST anomalies for October 2015:







Notice how warm the equatorial areas are, but the Antarctic is (and has been) much cooler than average. People want to focus on the Arctic sea ice loss when the Antarctic has been consistently gaining ice every year. Stupid propagandists...

I found it extremely coincidental that stumbled upon this very post while watching a do entary that answers this very post. Rofl.....here you go:

https://youtu.be/pVD0COMnX8w