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MANU GINOBILI
Joe Johnson
Paul Pierce
Ricky Davis
Ben Gordon
Larry Hughes
Jerry Stackhouse
Marquis Daniels
Rip Hamilton
Jason Richardson
Tracy McGrady
Stephen Jackson
Cuttino Mobley
Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Michael Redd
Vince Carter
Jamal Crawford
Quentin Richardson
Bonzi Wells
Jalen Rose
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You guys realize what he's doing right? He doesn't care what you guys put to counter him he's not going to listen. I'm pretty sure he knows stats aren't the only important thing when it comes to evaluating a basketball player, and if he doesn't know that he's a moron. In fact i'm pretty sure he's aware of that otherwise he wouldn't keep pushing stats in your face to piss you off.
Ignore him.
I feel so used.
Manu is the second or third best SG in the NBA...
Kobe is better...although I'd say that Kobe's ME at ude is a definite negative that offsets his talent.
TMac and Vince Carter are not better than Manu.
Vince Carter is a puss who can't even stay healthy.
TMac's team had the worst record in the NBA a couple of years ago and lost 19 games in a row.
IF Manu just went out there and dominated the ball jacking up shots he'd easily be a 20-25 PPG scorer...and it's hard for me to imagine a team being built around Manu not making the playoffs.....it's not hard to imagine that with Kobe and especially TMac and Carter.
When you take into account big game play, unselfishness, a willingness to do what it takes to win, versatility, feel for the game, and absolute thirst for victory...I don't think there is a SG as good as Manu in the NBA.
What are the negatives about Manu? There aren't many...he can't play 40 minutes a game...
That's the only one I can think of...
Tex Winters (you know the guy who coached MJ, Kobe and Pippen) ranking of players from Lindy's Basketball Preview:
Point Guard
1. Nash
2. Billups
3. Davis
Shooting Guard
1. Kobe
2. Manu
3. Rip
Combo Guard
1. Wade
2. Iverson
3. Allen
Small Forward
1.McGrady
2. LeBron
3. Marion
Power Forward
1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Dirk
Center
1. Amare
2. Shaq
3. Yao
"Comers"
1. Okafor
2. Dwight Howard
3. Ben Gordon
Top 5-6 SG depending on where you classify Tmac, Pierce, and Lebron. I tend to put them as SF's. With that being said, Manu is about 6th as of right now. Hopefully he can maintain his great play of last season, and he should be right up there with most of the best SG's in the league.
Which Version of Manu are we talking about? The playoff version or the regular season version. Much like Robert Horry, Manu is a completely different player in the post season.
'05 postseason version of Manu is second to maybe Kobe but that's it.
Manu has become an unstoppable force at times, and has proven it on the international stage, the Olympics, and in the NBA finals. Basketball is still a team game, so one cannot simply say a player isn't that good because his team was the worst in the league. If we're talking about the best combination of skill, talent, work ethic, discipline, and will to win, with the heavier emphasis on actual skill and talent, I would rank shooting guards as follows:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Manu Ginobili
4. Ray Allen
5. Vince Carter
6. Paul Pierce
7. Joe Johnson
8. Rip Hamilton
9. Larry Hughes
10. Jason Richardson
11. Michael Redd
If I were ranking shooting guards SOLELY on skill and talent, I'd probably drop Manu Ginobili to the 6 or 7 spot. His defense, determination, and leadership on a great team definitely helps his status, in my mind.
I do consider Tracy McGrady a small forward because I think he will end up playing small forward the majority of the time for the rest of his career. Otherwise, I'd probably rank him second or third on this list.
Sassan is the king of long threads.
On sheer stud ability Davis may outrank Parker...
But Davis has career altering back problems that make him more of a gamble that Parker...and Parker whupped on his ass too in that OT game. But the injuries are why Davis didn't get ranked more highly on my list.
I'd put Manu at #4 behind T-mac, Kobe, and Wade, but I would take him over any of them anyday for the fact that he is so effecient, and doesn't request a lot of money, and he knows his role on a team and doesn't .
Let's put it this way: If Kobe is a hummer, then Manu is an electric car. Both get you from point A to point B, only Manu is way more effecient.
But Manu was out on the court, consistently and possitively effecting games well into the Finals. Yeah, I know- Without Duncan the Spurs would never have made it past the second round. But without Manu? I can only imagine who would be the reigning NBA Champions.Look at Manu's stats. Those aren't top-3 stats. To be honest, those aren't even top-10 stats. He's just not what you all make him out to be.
Trust me, fella, it's not just about stats. Look at your own Pacers for a perfect example. When Artest went PMS on the better part of Detroit's fanbase, Indiana did lose some scoring, rebounding, and steals. But they made up for that with other players while Artest was making busy songs (and I use that term loosely) and being Stern's . What Indiana didn't have was the toughness, and the aggressiveness that he brought to the table. What they didn't have were the intangibles about Artest which don't show up on the stat sheet.
I'm sure Manu's statistical relativity is a great way to qualify someone you don't want to acknowledge as one of the leading shooting guards. I'm sure it's easy to say "well, he doesn't score/rebound/share the ball enough to be anywhere near those other guys." But before you open your mouth again, I suggest you look at your own team, look at Indiana's intangibles, before you try to hang your coat on the popular hook.
It doesn't hold.
That is a huge compliment from a very experienced and knowledgable basketball person. Tex Winter's opinion has more weight than the entire collective of this board.
maybe behind Kobe in the skills department but character, ethics and all, i think Manu is a lot better
Talent-wise Manu is right up there with the best. When you factor in leadership, teamsmanship, instilling confidence I agree it may put him over the top. Kobe is a great, great talent. There heve to be serious questions at this point about his leadership, the chemistry he creates to form a team around. SHaq was the glue to create chemistry on the lakers.
maybe behind Kobe in the skills department but character, ethics and all, i think Manu is a lot better
Same leadership, chemistry issue have to go with guys like Pierce, Carter.
The entire Pacers team has huge question marks regarding leadership and on and off the court intelligence. They're asking O'Neal to step up but he hasn't shown a ton of maturity or leadership in the past In fact Bird at times this past off season has alluded to this being a make or break year for Jermaine on the Pacers. Artest? Leader?Jackson? Leader?
Interesting that Tex ranked Amare over Shaq...
Its been such a long time since we agreed on something
Where Would You Rate Manu Ginobili?
First, he is so cute. (sorry if already posted)
wtf?^
That's not Manu
How may threads do we need ranking Manu.....
He's good...
Top 5.
manu mania they don't listen
Why is Ray Allen listed as a combo guard?
Kobe>Wade>McGrady>Manu>VC
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